The C-Master Gaming Challenge!

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Mar 20, 2010 15:36:01 GMT -5 Saikyo Kid said:

Wait, what the hell is goin' on here?

Read and see.

[Darkstorm Zero]

This is my oppinion on the CVS2 issue in a nutshell:

IMO, both S.Akuma and G.Rugal CAN be dominators in those games, provided that the player actually has the skill to avoid the damage they cannot take like Zangief or Raiden. They arn't like Cyber Akuma who, when player controlled, literally has suprise buttsex with anyone in the roster before they realise they just bled to death. They arn't designed for overwhelmingly cheap dominance away from CPU controlled boss battles. Anyone with a modicum of knowlege about the game should definitely know this...

SFA2 Shin Akuma is different because of his overwhelmingly high priority and instant recovery, and Gill is amazingly cheap due to overly powerful super arts.... But if you play S.Akuma and G.Rugal regularly, you know, and understand that you get tapped by even one short combo, you won't be able to block your way through the rest of the fight because 3 4ths of your lifebar simply vanished, and these guys cannot even do blocking damage soak very well, you absolutely must utilise their speed, priority and counter attacks, otherwise your dead in one level 3 super... these guys are designed for experts in parrying, dodge rolling, roll cancelling, just defence and perfectly timed, flawlessly executed moves, because one mistake can potentially lose you the match.

[Saikyo Kid]

Mar 20, 2010 20:34:55 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Mar 20, 2010 15:36:01 GMT -5 Saikyo Kid said:

Wait, what the hell is goin' on here?

Read and see.

I read it, I'm just still not sure what's goin' on. I can just create random challenges for people?

Mar 21, 2010 3:24:24 GMT -5 Darkstorm Zero said:

This is my oppinion on the CVS2 issue in a nutshell:

IMO, both S.Akuma and G.Rugal CAN be dominators in those games, provided that the player actually has the skill to avoid the damage they cannot take like Zangief or Raiden. They arn't like Cyber Akuma who, when player controlled, literally has suprise buttsex with anyone in the roster before they realise they just bled to death. They arn't designed for overwhelmingly cheap dominance away from CPU controlled boss battles. Anyone with a modicum of knowlege about the game should definitely know this...

SFA2 Shin Akuma is different because of his overwhelmingly high priority and instant recovery, and Gill is amazingly cheap due to overly powerful super arts.... But if you play S.Akuma and G.Rugal regularly, you know, and understand that you get tapped by even one short combo, you won't be able to block your way through the rest of the fight because 3 4ths of your lifebar simply vanished, and these guys cannot even do blocking damage soak very well, you absolutely must utilise their speed, priority and counter attacks, otherwise your dead in one level 3 super... these guys are designed for experts in parrying, dodge rolling, roll cancelling, just defence and perfectly timed, flawlessly executed moves, because one mistake can potentially lose you the match.

That's pretty much Akuma in almost every game. Really powerful but imo, just a tad bit too weak.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Mar 21, 2010 16:15:46 GMT -5 Saikyo Kid said:

Mar 20, 2010 20:34:55 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Read and see.

I read it, I'm just still not sure what's goin' on. I can just create random challenges for people?

Mar 21, 2010 3:24:24 GMT -5 Darkstorm Zero said:

This is my oppinion on the CVS2 issue in a nutshell:

IMO, both S.Akuma and G.Rugal CAN be dominators in those games, provided that the player actually has the skill to avoid the damage they cannot take like Zangief or Raiden. They arn't like Cyber Akuma who, when player controlled, literally has suprise buttsex with anyone in the roster before they realise they just bled to death. They arn't designed for overwhelmingly cheap dominance away from CPU controlled boss battles. Anyone with a modicum of knowlege about the game should definitely know this...

SFA2 Shin Akuma is different because of his overwhelmingly high priority and instant recovery, and Gill is amazingly cheap due to overly powerful super arts.... But if you play S.Akuma and G.Rugal regularly, you know, and understand that you get tapped by even one short combo, you won't be able to block your way through the rest of the fight because 3 4ths of your lifebar simply vanished, and these guys cannot even do blocking damage soak very well, you absolutely must utilise their speed, priority and counter attacks, otherwise your dead in one level 3 super... these guys are designed for experts in parrying, dodge rolling, roll cancelling, just defence and perfectly timed, flawlessly executed moves, because one mistake can potentially lose you the match.

That's pretty much Akuma in almost every game. Really powerful but imo, just a tad bit too weak.

Lol at the Gill combos and surprise buttsex.

Anyways you just make a thread of your own issuing a challenge. That's about it really. This is for games of course.

[toobz]

Wait, what the hell is goin' on here?

It's a gentlemen's challenge. Between gentlemen.

Also, I asked my friend about S. Akuma and God Rugal and he said "of course they're banned in tournaments!" Not that I mind you playing as them, but according to him (who is a tournament veteran) they are broken characters.

[Dja Majista]

C, all that said, whether or not you use "god characters" doesn't matter to me. But I would really protest to you using your ex grooves. It's not as much up for debate that those are comparatively broken. I'm not assuming that you plan to use them; I'm just putting that out there.

[Darkstorm Zero]

Ya, I can see that being a gamebreaker, unless of course, the opponent can also use the same EX Groove, then it becomes completely even once again and the players have to again rely on the strengths and weaknesses of the character(s) they choose.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Mar 22, 2010 16:45:05 GMT -5 toobz said:

Wait, what the hell is goin' on here?

It's a gentlemen's challenge. Between gentlemen.

Also, I asked my friend about S. Akuma and God Rugal and he said "of course they're banned in tournaments!" Not that I mind you playing as them, but according to him (who is a tournament veteran) they are broken characters.

It's cool you can find so many tournament players in that area, there aren't as many around here that still play the game. I might have to move, j/k.

Like I said, you'll have about 8/10 that will say they aren't. Generally the ones who say they are don't really play as them anyways, even in tournaments where they are allowed. Not saying your friend doesn't know what he's talking about of course, I just wonder people's reasoning behind what they say. People will often say they are broken when they are banned, but generally game characters which are home console only type characters aren't included for the reasons mentioned prior. I've been playing games for a long time, and fighting games, and I can often say the most broken characters are often allowed normal characters.









God Rugal and Shin Akuma don't compare. Did he explain why he said what he said other than "they're banned" (as all home consoles are). Just try them out and see I'd say. I'm using Bison a lot lately.

Mar 22, 2010 22:51:06 GMT -5 Dja Majista said:

C, all that said, whether or not you use "god characters" doesn't matter to me. But I would really protest to you using your ex grooves. It's not as much up for debate that those are comparatively broken. I'm not assuming that you plan to use them; I'm just putting that out there.

Well all that said, I don't believe my point has gotten across, and I'm tired of the thread being derailed by this, so I'm going to help it get across to keep it from getting hashed in further, the first threads of this type always end up like this, or my threads in general. For someone who "Doesn't really care" this is being rehashed too much, I'm too busy so I try not to waste too much of my time:


When any person makes a challenge thread, it is up to them the terms and conditions on it, the further posts should be about clarification, unless there is something the starter wishes to adjust. So if the thread is, "Beat xxx with a tampon in your nose and your eyes closed." Then those are the conditions of the match. They aren't up for "debate" or changing unless that person wishes to do so. Or if you have a legitimate question. To keep derailing the thread with this is going to be regarded as spam and might result in post deletion. This is in general and not singling out anybody.

The "broken" and "cheap" argument becomes pointless, circular, and annoying particularly if the person isn't well versed in what they are saying. I went over and you first told me that God Rugal had the same defense as Rugal, which he didn't, he had half which is a significant difference. Then you went and told me that only God Rugal had Kaiser wave, which isn't true. In fact normal Rugal and even Ryo have large projectiles as well. They are also very easy to get around if you know what you are doing. Then there were things like teleporting and other moves which you said were cheap, that's just being scrubby. How about I start saying L-Cancel and Wave-dashing are cheap and we play without them since they are unintended glitches? Or I could learn them and up my game? Which sounds scrubbier? I personally think K-Groove is a bit cheesy but I'm not going to ban it based on that.


Also, I stated my intended reasons for me even allowing the use of certain things as it was to bring the most out of a game (and for Mike to enhance his practice), not to ruin it. Ex grooves can be powerful depending on what you have in it, but like Darkstorm said if both use it it isn't. It takes skill to use the abilities properly. My problem with your comment is that you are making it seem like I'm trying to use some "unfair advantage" because I need it to win. And I didn't even plan on using either groove or character regularly anyways, this is for fun. If somebody wants to choose someone or a groove for shits and giggles, that is their prerogative honestly. I like to play to make things as hard as possible for myself, not to make it as easy as possible. I'm playing a lot of Bison (who doesn't benefit as much from the grooves, and the boss characters become a lot less useful with the invincibility frame advantage as they will be punished and die).


Furthermore roll canceling is by far the *most* powerful thing here and it is allowed, and it is banned in several tournaments as well, food for thought. Something that allows you to bypass invincibility frames while attacking an infinite amount of times is probably one of the most , if not *the* most powerful fighting tactic ever. But it takes immense skill to do. Which is the reason I insist he master it to bring up his game. It can be important against someone who knows the tech, like L-Canceling and Wave Dashing, though Roll Canceling is much harder to do. Now I wouldn't recommend mapping the roll button as that isn't often allowed (since you are trying to play the way they generally play), but you can learn it both ways, it might be better if you didn't. I tend to be against games that make move-sets too easy anyways (like the GC and XBox version of the game for that cheap extra-ism that they have where you can tilt the C-stick and do the move because it takes away from the skill required. Man that annoys me. Since Roll Canceling was allowed everything else was included for fun. Roll Canceling is the *big picture* that is being missed here. It's like comparing a chainsaw to a steak knife.

Now obviously if I was trying to be cheap, I wouldn't have said to learn the Roll Cancel ability and just use it myself for the advantage (I'm getting it down again), to win hands down, but I don't play that way. I like to bring the most out of everyone. But at the same time I don't like scrubby players, I don't like tourney-fags who turn it into "Ryu only, no groove, final destination!!!" <-- Internet Meme pun.

And David I do have your GC and I plan on giving it back to you tomorrow, I've played it some but I'm under many things and I understand you want it back and that's fair. I don't like someone else's stuff on my conscience anyways. I should be out at school tomorrow and going that way. I'll search for one when I have the time.

[Dja Majista]

Derailing? Why do you think I'm derailing your thread? I'm excited about your challenge. I'm just trying to be the voice of moderation.

To blue - OK I already conceded to most of that already. I don't even know why you're bringing that up.

So now, I'm a little confused. I understand you want to play friendlies with him, and mess around and all that. Cool. But is there any part of this challenge that's going to be a standard tourney style face off? I honestly expected you guys to just sit down, do a few warm-up rounds, and then duke it out. You can't just steal my cousin for 5 hours without bribing-- err, asking me first!

Look, if I say something that you don't like, just ignore me. That's what I do!

About the GC. You can keep it. I don't need it right now.

On a whim though, I called a nearby gamestop, and they had everything you need: 30$ GC's, controllers, and SSBM. I can go with you down there tomorrow if you want.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

I don't know it just seemed as if you were making it like I was trying to be as "cheap" as possible "to win", I don't play like that. That and it was becoming long-winded. I didn't know you ignored yourself though.

I was thinking more fun play, which was my point. If we are going to play for hours on end, why pick the same character over and over, we might want to switch it up for fun.

I was just making sure since you asked. I know how I am about stuff so I didn't want to feel like I was stealing your baby. lol

Mike is mine now... he's too cute.

[toobz]

Oh lawdy lawd...!

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Mar 23, 2010 16:24:42 GMT -5 toobz said:

Oh lawdy lawd...!

I know why you have all of those women problems now.

[Dja Majista]

"If we are going to play for hours on end"
Hey, that's not part of the deal! (unless you bring your own miniature TV and confine yourselves to a small closet in the corner of the basement so that no one sees you.)

So you wanna go get that GC tomorrow? It's at the gamestop next to the CiCi's near your old house.

[toobz]

I wish I wasn't so sexy... Now i have some immature little girls after me. And cordera. WONDERFUL.


=D

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Little girls? They aren't like 12 are they?

[Saikyo Kid]

Everyone give me a decent list of your game library!

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Wow... that will take a while, be sure to make your own thread though.

[toobz]

not experienced = little girls

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Mar 23, 2010 17:56:50 GMT -5 toobz said:

not experienced = little girls

Experienced in what?

[toobz]

LIFE, my friend. Life.

Idk, they seem shy, don't know how to express themselves clearly, and are younger than I am. Then again, maybe I'm just that intimidating.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

You are dammit. I'm glad your face isn't on this thing. I'd be too shy to speak to you.

[Dja Majista]

Cordera, are you buying a gamecube tomorrow? yes. no. maybe. previous engagement. pregnant. anything.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Mar 23, 2010 20:04:32 GMT -5 Dja Majista said:

Cordera, are you buying a gamecube tomorrow? yes. no. maybe. previous engagement. pregnant. anything.

Nah you gave me mine now.

[Dja Majista]

... o_0

[toobz]

hi guys







I beat the first level of battlemania without dying.

[Dja Majista]

You mean battletoads? nice! have you had the chance to play the levels after that?

[toobz]

yeah. after a couple hours i've decided to use save states though. the levels are just so insane... on clinger winger now.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Mar 23, 2010 22:22:17 GMT -5 toobz said:

yeah. after a couple hours i've decided to use save states though. the levels are just so insane... on clinger winger now.

I meant to ask about that, Darkstorm was doing it as well. Nothing wrong with memorizing. You're playing which Battletoads?

[Darkstorm Zero]

It has been a hellova long time since I played Battletoads.... I treated it much like I treated TMNT Aarcade though, to me, the game mechanics of sidescrolling beat'em'ups where all the same, only subtle differences... The only ones that actually provided a more menacing challenge where the D&D sidescrollers, Knights of Valor, and Dungeon Magic (And that last one was only because the angles where VERY off.)

BTW, C Master, Did you know that Gill had a variable Infinite Combo in both Doule Impact and 3rd Strike?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Mar 23, 2010 23:08:04 GMT -5 Darkstorm Zero said:

It has been a hellova long time since I played Battletoads.... I treated it much like I treated TMNT Aarcade though, to me, the game mechanics of sidescrolling beat'em'ups where all the same, only subtle differences... The only ones that actually provided a more menacing challenge where the D&D sidescrollers, Knights of Valor, and Dungeon Magic (And that last one was only because the angles where VERY off.)

BTW, C Master, Did you know that Gill had a variable Infinite Combo in both Doule Impact and 3rd Strike?

I knew the very easy one in 3s with the headbutt, that was a basic one. Not that he needed it with the uppercut/ Saber lariat combo.