Ryu Vs. Iori

[aaronj]

Takes place in an abandoned NY. This is Ryu from the latest game, not that how tough he is in the next game crap.

Who wins ?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

aaronj said:

Takes place in an abandoned NY. This is Ryu from the latest game, not that how tough he is in the next game crap.

Who wins ?

It is a close match but current Ryu is quite powerful and with his strength should be able to take the majority not holding back. He is in his 30's or so I believe in the latest game and has already overcome Satsui no Hado.

[aaronj]

In the latest game that was out I agree he wins.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

aaronj said:

In the latest game that was out I agree he wins.

Ryu?

[warmunger]

Ryu. Iori Is still cool.

[JACK-2]

This is a very good fight, and I know this debate caused ego's to flare back in KMC. Here's a comparison between the two fighters.

Speed: Ryu is quick enough to dodge bullets back in alpha, but the may be more evidence of maneuverability than speed. Iori doesn't really have any speed feats, but I'm sure he's no slouch. So, far Ryu seems to be the superior one in this department

Strength: Ryu can lift a thirty ton boulder:



His Shin-Shoryu-ken can launch a rival several 100 meters into the air and has enough force to kill a man. It's one of the strongest moves in the Street fighter universe. So, I have no doubt that Ryu has more in the way of strength. Regardless of what Iori fans say about his nails being able to cut flesh and steel. Ryu has more raw unadulterated physical power than Iori.


Firepower: Iori easily, ryu is good with projectiles and all. But, he doesn't come close to being who can create towering flaming pillars that can paralyze a foe. Iori has a butt load of area effecting attacks. One hit could possibly be game over for Ryu. He would have to keep moving and stay lucid. furthermore, Iori's projectiles are not linear like Ryu's, and encompass a greater scope.



Experience: Ryu has faced over 10,000 opponents by Third Strike and has been Street fighting for 11 years or more. He's no joke, but neither is iori who constantly faces supernatural threats. There both experienced in there own right, and I think they can both use their respective experience's well in this fight.


Really, what it comes down to is who wants to wins more. Who is willing to go beyond what it takes to win. That's what's needed to win this fight. Ryu isn't willing to kill just to win versus iori who is. This can bean advantage for Iori, since he wouldn't really give up. Ryu, on the other hand is more interested in perfect himself, which is why he's more true to the traditional warrior. In order for Ryu to win, he needs to get within striking distance of Iori or he will be overtaken by his flames. Iori on the other hand cannot afford to let Ryu in close or he's screwed. Ryu has that maneuverability going for him, I believe he can get into range for a healthy majority over Iori. because Iori only has the flames to keep him at bay. Hand to hand, he's neever demonstrated the capacity to take Ryu at that level.

Ryu: 7/10



-The Azure Dragon of Gales

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

thebluedragongales said:

This is a very good fight, and I know this debate caused ego's to flare back in KMC. Here's a comparison between the two fighters.

Speed: Ryu is quick enough to dodge bullets back in alpha, but the may be more evidence of maneuverability than speed. Iori doesn't really have any speed feats, but I'm sure he's no slouch. So, far Ryu seems to be the superior one in this department

Strength: Ryu can lift a thirty ton boulder:



His Shin-Shoryu-ken can launch a rival several 100 meters into the air and has enough force to kill a man. It's one of the strongest moves in the Street fighter universe. So, I have no doubt that Ryu has more in the way of strength. Regardless of what Iori fans say about his nails being able to cut flesh and steel. Ryu has more raw unadulterated physical power than Iori.


Firepower: Iori easily, ryu is good with projectiles and all. But, he doesn't come close to being who can create towering flaming pillars that can paralyze a foe. Iori has a butt load of area effecting attacks. One hit could possibly be game over for Ryu. He would have to keep moving and stay lucid. furthermore, Iori's projectiles are not linear like Ryu's, and encompass a greater scope.



Experience: Ryu has faced over 10,000 opponents by Third Strike and has been Street fighting for 11 years or more. He's no joke, but neither is iori who constantly faces supernatural threats. There both experienced in there own right, and I think they can both use their respective experience's well in this fight.


Really, what it comes down to is who wants to wins more. Who is willing to go beyond what it takes to win. That's what's needed to win this fight. Ryu isn't willing to kill just to win versus iori who is. This can bean advantage for Iori, since he wouldn't really give up. Ryu, on the other hand is more interested in perfect himself, which is why he's more true to the traditional warrior. In order for Ryu to win, he needs to get within striking distance of Iori or he will be overtaken by his flames. Iori on the other hand cannot afford to let Ryu in close or he's screwed. Ryu has that maneuverability going for him, I believe he can get into range for a healthy majority over Iori. because Iori only has the flames to keep him at bay. Hand to hand, he's neever demonstrated the capacity to take Ryu at that level.

Ryu: 7/10



-The Azure Dragon of Gales

I agree with your assessment, I might even say Iori can pull 4 wins (maybe in certain situation), I like how you evaluated and assessed the match from all angles instead of saying one character wins and the other sucks, I wish more people debated like you.

[JACK-2]

I'm glad you enjoyed my assessment. I put alot of time into it, but it could have been better in my opinion. I believe debating should be done a certain way when it comes to versus. Listing advantages that each character has and observing how they used them in fights or how you feel they could use them. I believe this fight is really close, Iori's desire to win no matter what might give him an edge normally. But, Ryu is so beyond that by Third Strike it seems point less to give him an edge. Besides, If Ryu was ever so desperate and consumed by the desire for victory. Then it would be Satsu No Hadou all over again, But Ryu in my opinion has found something that is just as powerful as victory by means of assassination (Since that is what satsu No Hadou essentially is). It's victory by means of virtue, and it is just as powerful as it's mirror principle which is demonstrated by Satsu No Hadou. The major diiference is that Ryu loses himself when he uses that killing power ersus discovering himself when he doesn't. Iori and the flamers seem to be fighters who tap into strength by using strong emotions such as rage. As powerful as it is, emotional base power is impossible to control. Your just basically giving into your impulses, and if Ryu can use that psychological advantage against Iori. . .Victory's in the bag. It would be out of character for Ryu to taunt iori, but emotional based power makes you predictable. Which is the last thing you need in a fight against ryu. This is just a thoery, though.

-The Azure Dragon Of Gales
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[The Big Daddy C-Master]

thebluedragongales said:

I'm glad you enjoyed my assessment. I put alot of time into it, but it could have been better in my opinion. I believe debating should be done a certain way when it comes to versus. Listing advantages that each character has and observing how they used them in fights or how you feel they could use them. I believe this fight is really close, Iori's desire to win no matter what might give him an edge normally. But, Ryu is so beyond that by Third Strike it seems point less to give him an edge. Besides, If Ryu was ever so desperate and consumed by the desire for victory. Then it would be Satsu No Hadou all over again, But Ryu in my opinion has found something that is just as powerful as victory by means of assassination (Since that is what satsu No Hadou essentially is). It's victory by means of virtue, and it is just as powerful as it's mirror principle which is demonstrated by Satsu No Hadou. The major diiference is that Ryu loses himself when he uses that killing power ersus discovering himself when he doesn't. Iori and the flamers seem to be fighters who tap into strength by using strong emotions such as rage. As powerful as it is, emotional base power is impossible to control. Your just basically giving into your impulses, and if Ryu can use that psychological advantage against Iori. . .Victory's in the bag. It would be out of character for Ryu to taunt iori, but emotional based power makes you predictable. Which is the last thing you need in a fight against ryu. This is just a thoery, though.

-The Azure Dragon Of Gales

[/I] [/quote]A good theory it is.

[Darkstorm Zero]

I couldn't have said it better myself.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

darkstorm said:

I couldn't have said it better myself.

You can try though.

[JACK-2]

This fight might be a stalemate, But I think Ryu's experience and Focus is a great advantage. If he can use said advantages well in battle and doesn't drag out this fight he can win. If Iori on the otherhand wears Ryu out with constant hounding of flames, he could win the whole thing. But, that would be really difficult considering Ryu has demonstrated high stamina in a Third Strike Ending. Bracing a boulder for what seems to be hours, so, he will not tire out so easily. Ryu, is very focused by Third Strike. I doubt the flames wll psychologically overwhelm him either.

-The Azure dragon of Gales

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[Someone else...]

I with the thebluedragongales guy on this one.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

somebodyelse said:

I with the thebluedragongales guy on this one.

He is a good debator.

[Someone else...]

I see.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

somebodyelse said:

I see.

Indeed.

[JACK-2]

I thought this over somemore, and realised that I missed an opportunity to elaborate on certain points. Like, when I claimed Ryu would destroy Iori in close ranged combat, as arrogant as it sounds. Let's reevaluate my point's: Ryu simply has the stats too boot in this particular circumstance, I already proved he has more raw power than Iori. His techniques are another advantage, he's been polishing them for years.


As you can see, Ryu's always on the road. Looking for challenges, and ways to better himself.






That's his main goal in life, achieve perfection. It may sound bias, but someone who spends day in and day out perfecting every aspect of themselves is bound to have more polished techniques. Not saying iori doesn't have good techniques, but they do no not strike me as refined as Ryu's. Also, Ryu deals alot of damage at close range: Shoryuken, Joudan Sokutougeri, Tatsumaki Senpuu Kyaku plus super arts like the Shin-Shoryu-Ken. Iori would be at a moderate disadvantage, he has powerful attacks as well in that range. Don't get it twisted, Iori's is very formidabale at that range as well. He has a move that in my opinion surpasses all of Ryu's close range capabilities I.E. his leader max: The 2nd of 3 Divine Techniques. This is move hurt an avatar of Orochi itself, so, Ryu's hit. . .He's dead. Furthermore, he has other deadly combination attacks: Kin 1211 Shiki: Ya Otome, Ura 316 Shiki: Saika, and Killer Comb Filleter. Many of these a rush supers, So, if Ryu can prevent the combination attack he can surpress the attacks. "Killer Combo Filleter" is like a Shinryuken, So, it's mainly used for Anti-Air purposed or just close range rapage. Ryu would have to avoid being sucked into the attack.







I admitt, I underestimated Iori here when it came to close range, but after thinking it through. I've realised that he can beat Ryu in a close range battle only by using certain desperation moves. Also, it depends on how far he's willing to go. If he Begins to slip into Riot blood, like he does with certain moves, than this fight might become even more of a struggle. "Killer Combo Filleter" and " The second of three divination techinques" are a real pain for Ryu at that range. Shin-shoryu-ken and Shinkuu Tatsumaki Kyaku is bothersome for Iori.

I underestimated Ryu's Long Range ability as well. I remarked on how he has linear power, and that Iori's much more potent in that range. Well, I was a bit off on that tangent. Iori's flames are generally mid-range, but with his Eight Wine Goblets he has Long range capabilites and the special ability to paralyze his victim. But, that attack has a charge time, similiar to ryu's Denjin Hadouken (A super I though Ryu could not use in this match). So, it comes down to who can charge faster. Thing is, Ryu's Denjin's charge has no effect on it's range, just on it's power. Versus Iori who needs to charge to get into range with that attack. furthermore, Denjin his a stunning property (depending on how long it's charged) And cannot be supressed by normal means. Combined with his ShinKuu Hadouken (Which has no charge). Ryu, simply has more power here versus Iori.



-The Azure Dragon of Gales

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[JACK-2]

It really depends on how far both parties are willing to go just to win. If it's just a simple sparring match, with no death moves or intent to kill. I give it to Ryu, because he has more powerful non-lethal techniques versus Iori. If Iori's going all out, with killing intent and even begins to slip into blood Riot. I say it's a stalemate, or (Depending if Iori goes riot blood) Ryu wins by a hair . Riot blood is simply not good for an opponent as focused as Ryu.


Ryu in a peaceful spar: 8/10
Ryu wins by a hair in a duel :6/10

Now, if Ryu goes all out to kill, well that's a different story. . .




-The Azure Dragon of Gales[/I]

[Someone else...]

Pretty good, are you Sandai/ Ashtar back at KMC?

[JACK-2]

Yep, I left that crap bowl for good.

-The Azure Dragon of Gales
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[The Big Daddy C-Master]

thebluedragongales said:

I thought this over somemore, and realised that I missed an opportunity to elaborate on certain points. Like, when I claimed Ryu would destroy Iori in close ranged combat, as arrogant as it sounds. Let's reevaluate my point's: Ryu simply has the stats too boot in this particular circumstance, I already proved he has more raw power than Iori. His techniques are another advantage, he's been polishing them for years.


As you can see, Ryu's always on the road. Looking for challenges, and ways to better himself.






That's his main goal in life, achieve perfection. It may sound bias, but someone who spends day in and day out perfecting every aspect of themselves is bound to have more polished techniques. Not saying iori doesn't have good techniques, but they do no not strike me as refined as Ryu's. Also, Ryu deals alot of damage at close range: Shoryuken, Joudan Sokutougeri, Tatsumaki Senpuu Kyaku plus super arts like the Shin-Shoryu-Ken. Iori would be at a moderate disadvantage, he has powerful attacks as well in that range. Don't get it twisted, Iori's is very formidabale at that range as well. He has a move that in my opinion surpasses all of Ryu's close range capabilities I.E. his leader max: The 2nd of 3 Divine Techniques. This is move hurt an avatar of Orochi itself, so, Ryu's hit. . .He's dead. Furthermore, he has other deadly combination attacks: Kin 1211 Shiki: Ya Otome, Ura 316 Shiki: Saika, and Killer Comb Filleter. Many of these a rush supers, So, if Ryu can prevent the combination attack he can surpress the attacks. "Killer Combo Filleter" is like a Shinryuken, So, it's mainly used for Anti-Air purposed or just close range rapage. Ryu would have to avoid being sucked into the attack.







I admitt, I underestimated Iori here when it came to close range, but after thinking it through. I've realised that he can beat Ryu in a close range battle only by using certain desperation moves. Also, it depends on how far he's willing to go. If he Begins to slip into Riot blood, like he does with certain moves, than this fight might become even more of a struggle. "Killer Combo Filleter" and " The second of three divination techinques" are a real pain for Ryu at that range. Shin-shoryu-ken and Shinkuu Tatsumaki Kyaku is bothersome for Iori.

I underestimated Ryu's Long Range ability as well. I remarked on how he has linear power, and that Iori's much more potent in that range. Well, I was a bit off on that tangent. Iori's flames are generally mid-range, but with his Eight Wine Goblets he has Long range capabilites and the special ability to paralyze his victim. But, that attack has a charge time, similiar to ryu's Denjin Hadouken (A super I though Ryu could not use in this match). So, it comes down to who can charge faster. Thing is, Ryu's Denjin's charge has no effect on it's range, just on it's power. Versus Iori who needs to charge to get into range with that attack. furthermore, Denjin his a stunning property (depending on how long it's charged) And cannot be supressed by normal means. Combined with his ShinKuu Hadouken (Which has no charge). Ryu, simply has more power here versus Iori.



-The Azure Dragon of Gales

[/I][/quote]Yea, I was going to say that about firepower, if you go by games his generally aren't that special for balance reasons, but I'm sure at his point in time he can release them quickly and can charge them for more power. He also has normal, flame, and electric ones for added versatility.

[Someone else...]

thebluedragongales said:

Yep, I left that crap bowl for good.

-The Azure Dragon of Gales

[/I][/quote]Oh, what's up?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

somebodyelse said:

Pretty good, are you Sandai/ Ashtar back at KMC?

Haha, that'd be him.

[JACK-2]

Fight has me thinking alot more, mainly at close range. At close range, Ryu has a better chance of suppressing his flames. He can also get in some bone breaking punches, and a good Shoryuken could K.O. Iori. Like I said before, I doubt Iori can stop a good rush from Ryu's perfect attacks (Yeah, I'm using hyperbole. Wanna fight about it?). Even if they are blocked, Ryu will leave Iori staggering. If Ryu gets in really deep, he could always Shin-Shoryu-Ken him to end the fight. Iori can put some pressure too, those hands are meant for piercing. Though, I doubt Ryu will throw in the towel if he's hit, plus he can maneuver better than Iori from what we seen. So, he's not done by a long shot. Ryu needs to be weary of killing moves such as Style Kin 1211 Yatome. I see Ryu Bleeding and being close to K.O. if not death at best. Killer Combo Filleter can do even more damage, due to it drawing power from the Riot of blood. 2nd of three divinations will kill Ryu. . .Nuff' said. Ryu's only real hope is what I described in my theory, his focus. Said techniques are very emotional based, So, they can be telegraphed and control. Because, emotional based attacks tend to have obvious consequences and are easy to bait or Telegraph. But, Iori still has the advantage here, since he can dish out the most damage here with his 2nd of three divination techniques.

-Up and At' em! Atom Ant!!
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[JACK-2]

admin said:

Yea, I was going to say that about firepower, if you go by games his generally aren't that special for balance reasons, but I'm sure at his point in time he can release them quickly and can charge them for more power. He also has normal, flame, and electric ones for added versatility.

What are your thoughts on the close range battle between the two. If it were a simple match, Ryu would have this catergory in the bag. But, in a death duel?

-Atom Ant Out[/I]

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

I think Ryu would be formidable not holding back, but to the death is more of Iori's style. I do think Ryu's abilities would increase more, but I don't think the fight is in his character.

About a half each way, with a slight nod to Ryu.

[Darkstorm Zero]

Ryu has never fought to kill, unless he unleashes the Dark Hadou, but then he changes entirely...

In this instance, it comes down to Ryu's focus, technique and skill versus Iori's piercing, flames and focus.

If Ryu where to close the gap, I beleive his greater stamina (It's very hard to actually hurt Ryu signifficantly), and more polished skill and technique will allow him to win the edge over Iori's slash and grab style more often than not.

And, while Iori can definitely generate more energy in the form of copious amounts of flames, I think Ryu's conservation of energy (Not using such attacks all the time and not simply blowing out Hadoukens like bubbles in a bubblebath) will enable him to outlast Ior in a long range battle.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

darkstorm said:

Ryu has never fought to kill, unless he unleashes the Dark Hadou, but then he changes entirely...

In this instance, it comes down to Ryu's focus, technique and skill versus Iori's piercing, flames and focus.

If Ryu where to close the gap, I beleive his greater stamina (It's very hard to actually hurt Ryu signifficantly), and more polished skill and technique will allow him to win the edge over Iori's slash and grab style more often than not.

And, while Iori can definitely generate more energy in the form of copious amounts of flames, I think Ryu's conservation of energy (Not using such attacks all the time and not simply blowing out Hadoukens like bubbles in a bubblebath) will enable him to outlast Ior in a long range battle.

That is a good conclusion, being level headed is an advantage in any match.

[JACK-2]

Here's the thing I forgot to cover. Iori at certain points during his death duel with ryu can tap into his riot blood fro a certain periods of time during combat. Certain moves like Style Kin 1211 Yatome and Killer Combo Filleter can tap into riot of bloods power, maybe not fully. But , enough to make ryu wanna be more careful. My question gentlemen, is how will Ryu deal with these attacks that employ Riot Bloods power?

-Atom Ant Out[/I]

[Darkstorm Zero]

It would depend on how Ryu reacts to it... and how willing he is to tap into his own dark powers...

Ryu, like Iori has a natural affinity to their darker sides, but while Iori is related to his heritage, Ryu's responds more to direct affliction of his emotions, since Ryu is so calm and level headed now, it would take an enormous amount of anger and hatred to push him to the point where he starts tapping the Dark Hadou again.

Normally, I can't see Ryu doing that, simply because Ryu is now said to be as strong as Alpha Akuma... WITHOUT resorting to using the Murderous Intent... that my friends is a superhuman traight, or at least close to it...