Does God exist?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

How does everyone feel about the existence of god, does he indeed exist, or is it all a lie?

[Gouki]

I believe he does exist but in a way that makes you provoke his existence. His way of functioning is working miracles every day and is guiding those who don't turn a deaf ear to him.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

I think he tries to guide all of us, his miracles are a way of showing us that he indeed does exist since they can't be duplicated. I don't think he wants any of us to be lost. If you are calling your pet dog to you and he decides to run away and you don't stop him, it doesn't mean that you don't love the dog, but you are still giving it that choice, along with calling it all the way.

[Magic attack]

I dont believe that he exists.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

shakezula said:

I dont believe that he exists.

In the aspect of it being unprovable 100% that he exists or that you are certain he doesn't exist?

[Psyquis52]

I was a minister for four years, so yeah I believe He exists.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Oh really? Where?

[swebum]

I dont think he Exists.. just an ancient myth.. IMO
Earth was not made by god.. not life ether

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

swebum said:

I dont think he Exists.. just an ancient myth.. IMO
Earth was not made by god.. not life ether

What is your reasoning for this?

[Magic attack]

admin said:

shakezula said:

I dont believe that he exists.

In the aspect of it being unprovable 100% that he exists or that you are certain he doesn't exist?

I just never believed in him/her. The thought of God has always been like believing in Santa in my opinion.

[Psyquis52]

admin said:

Oh really? Where?

Indiana, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, Ireland, England, Germany, Poland, Mexico, New Mexico, Utah, Illinois, Texas, Florida, Alabama, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Ohio, and Lousiana.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

shakezula said:

admin said:

In the aspect of it being unprovable 100% that he exists or that you are certain he doesn't exist?

I just never believed in him/her. The thought of God has always been like believing in Santa in my opinion.

Ok, I was confused on your opinion. I thought you were a fencesitter who read your stuff, but wasn't 100% sure, you aren't faithful that he *doesn't* exist, or an atheist though right?

psyquis52 said:

admin said:

Oh really? Where?

Indiana, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, Ireland, England, Germany, Poland, Mexico, New Mexico, Utah, Illinois, Texas, Florida, Alabama, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Ohio, and Lousiana.

I believe I asked the wrong question then...

You used to live in Europe?

[swebum]

admin said:

swebum said:

I dont think he Exists.. just an ancient myth.. IMO
Earth was not made by god.. not life ether

What is your reasoning for this?

science..

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

And what about what came before that? When worldly knowledge itself was limited? Why can't science do everything?

[Dja Majista]

swebum said:

admin said:

What is your reasoning for this?

science..

Where in science does it state as a law that no supernatural being exists? In science there are simply alternate theories. And none of them can be considered fact. Have you stopped to consider the evidence for the existance of God? Is it likely that you can't observe everything with just five senses?

[Sub_Mariner]

I believe he does exist, but not as a person, as an energy somewhere in the universe.

Or, he is just tired, i think that after he created the world he went into retreat for a while to let his world evolve and such. I think he has no current power but will regain his power in a very future date.

That is just one of the many opinions i have.

[newjak]

I believe in him but I feel that no one can prove or disprove him. He is or is not real for each there own to discover.

And it isn't just God almost every Culture in the World believes in the enrgies of a Supernatural Being that has power over everything. Some people Believe it to be the sum of all life. Others believe it to be the spirits that rest in everything.

Even many polytheistic religions such as the Norse and Greeks still believed that there was a power greater than all the rest.

[tshern]

I'm an oddball even with my opinions about the God.

I really don't believe in God, nor do I care if he exists. There are just too many paradoxes with omnipotence for people ever to realise whether God actually exists or not. You know, if he was omnipotent, he should move every single particle in existence, thus also control our minds and actions. Food for thought.

However, if we talk about the God Christians worship, I say I hope he doesn't exist. The Bible is a book with a lot of consistent mistakes and errors. The message it conveyes is at many parts outdated nowadays, even though God is supposed to be eternal. Yes, the message of love is still valid, but I just can't tolerate all the unjust things "God" has told us via Bible.

Peace and love, mates.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

I really don't believe in God, nor do I care if he exists. There are just too many paradoxes with omnipotence for people ever to realise whether God actually exists or not. You know, if he was omnipotent, he should move every single particle in existence, thus also control our minds and actions. Food for thought.

Think of it as a robot. I have a robot, if my robot does something for me, it isn't a big deal because it's supposed to do that. Imagine someone goes out their way and does something for me, it's a much bigger deal that way. If we live on this planet and God is loving us nevertheless, wouldn't it be better to love him as a father rather than a slave? He's not meant to be some fearful ruler, in fact he loves us all very much. In the end however only faith can bring you to the conclusion whether or not God exists or not, nothing else.

However, if we talk about the God Christians worship, I say I hope he doesn't exist. The Bible is a book with a lot of consistent mistakes and errors. The message it conveyes is at many parts outdated nowadays, even though God is supposed to be eternal. Yes, the message of love is still valid, but I just can't tolerate all the unjust things "God" has told us via Bible.

People often misinterpret the Bible, or mislead others, what "unjust things" do you mean?

[Dja Majista]

tshern said:

However, if we talk about the God Christians worship, I say I hope he doesn't exist. The Bible is a book with a lot of consistent mistakes and errors. The message it conveyes is at many parts outdated nowadays, even though God is supposed to be eternal. Yes, the message of love is still valid, but I just can't tolerate all the unjust things "God" has told us via Bible.

I'm curious to hear some examples from you so we can discuss them. People classify something as contradictory a lot just by interpretation or the way things are worded. Also elaborate on the subject of the bible's messages being outdated. You might be surprised that it is sometimes quite the contrary, like when it refers to the earth being a circle in the Old Testament.

[tshern]

Think of it as a robot. I have a robot, if my robot does something for me, it isn't a big deal because it's supposed to do that. Imagine someone goes out their way and does something for me, it's a much bigger deal that way. If we live on this planet and God is loving us nevertheless, wouldn't it be better to love him as a father rather than a slave? He's not meant to be some fearful ruler, in fact he loves us all very much. In the end however only faith can bring you to the conclusion whether or not God exists or not, nothing else.

But still if you are omnipotent, you should control everything and thus denying free will. Well, that's only my logic, we're only humans, we are can't understand omnipotence. It goes way over our heads.

The fact that possibly the greatest mystery we know is completely up to faith is the thing that makes discussing the matter interesting. I'm too pragmatic chap to simply believe, I've seen that many times in your lives, but I have nothing against people who can. I'm happy for your faith, really. It probably is a magnificent thing to live up to.

I'm curious to hear some examples from you so we can discuss them. People classify something as contradictory a lot just by interpretation or the way things are worded. Also elaborate on the subject of the bible's messages being outdated. You might be surprised that it is sometimes quite the contrary, like when it refers to the earth being a circle in the Old Testament.

I'll post something this evening when I have more time. Hopefully I can translate decently, I haven't really read the Bible in English...

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

But still if you are omnipotent, you should control everything and thus denying free will. Well, that's only my logic, we're only humans, we are can't understand omnipotence. It goes way over our heads.

Omnipotent doesn't mean everything has to subject to your will, in fact being able to let things or people do what they want demonstrates greater power. It means that your power is limitless and there is no limit on your power except a limit that *you* put there.

In the bible however God did harden Pharoah's heart in Exodus.

The fact that possibly the greatest mystery we know is completely up to faith is the thing that makes discussing the matter interesting. I'm too pragmatic chap to simply believe, I've seen that many times in your lives, but I have nothing against people who can. I'm happy for your faith, really. It probably is a magnificent thing to live up to.[.quote]

It is perfectly normal and ok to have doubts and to seek knowledge. Noone said you had to have blind faith, it was an interesteing discussion Da Masta and myself had. You can find many instances that prove God's existence, but faith is the last step. You trust in things all the time that have no guarantee. If you drive you assume that people are going to follow the same laws as you as best as they can, or else you wouldn't drive. You assume that your payments will get recorded, that your bus will come on time, that the sun will be there the next morning... but is it guaranteed? Absolutely not.

I'll post something this evening when I have more time. Hopefully I can translate decently, I haven't really read the Bible in English...

I'm looking forward to it.

[newjak]

Don't get me wrong the Bible(especially the New Testament) does have many contradictions. The main gospels of John, Luke, Mark, and Matthew all havemany things in them that contradict the other. In fact the birth of Jesus is even different in them on some accounts.

The point is that they were written by Human decades after the events have taken place some of them having agendas and political views they want to get across. Human error and simple lack of primary sources makes up most o the contradictions in the Bible

[tshern]

I'm looking forward to it.

I'm sorry to dissapoint you, but I really have to postpone it. I'll do it tomorrow, and I have two reasons for this. First one is the more selfish reason, I'm just that damn tired. Secondly, I talked with a friend who has studied the Bible in English (I'm doing an international degree, I have friends) and I asked her to help me with the passages I consider quoting.

Hope it sounds fair and square to you guys.

[Dja Majista]

fine by me. take your time.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

newjak said:

Don't get me wrong the Bible(especially the New Testament) does have many contradictions. The main gospels of John, Luke, Mark, and Matthew all havemany things in them that contradict the other. In fact the birth of Jesus is even different in them on some accounts.

The point is that they were written by Human decades after the events have taken place some of them having agendas and political views they want to get across. Human error and simple lack of primary sources makes up most o the contradictions in the Bible

Which is true, but that also makes up for good discussion, however you can only go so far on "facts" or just the "word" if you have no faith then all the reading and deciphering scriptures won't really matter, don't you agree?

[newjak]

That is true CM you do need faith

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

newjak said:

That is true CM you do need faith

Like I said we believe in things we can't prove the existence of more often than we think... it was made so you have to have faith in some degree, it's what is the challenge of being a Christain.

Are you a Christian?

[newjak]

Yes I am I beileve in Jesus Christ as my Lord

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

newjak said:

Yes I am I beileve in Jesus Christ as my Lord

Ah ok... I was making sure in the aspect of understanding your perception in this discussion.