Tekken 7 Coming out; Will Run on Unreal 4 Engine

[Great Dark Hero]

Yes.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Oct 31, 2015 8:18:26 GMT -5 Great Dark Hero said:

Yes.

Do you feel the Rage Arts scale too much?

[Great Dark Hero]

Yes. A little too much to be worth doing in the middle of combos. In fact, even if you launch the opponent and get one hit in the juggle, the damage of Rage Arts will still scale enormously. In a lot of cases, it seems like most intermediate players resort to Rage Arts to punish an unsafe string or strings with massive gaps within them. Or, you'd use them for whiff punishment... but if you are playing a character such as Devil Jin for example... why not just whiff punish with EWGF instead?

Also. I meant to post something earlier today. This is something each of you need to see! High-Level Tekken game play!

JDCR vs Knee ~ Esports!!


Knee vs Qudans ~ Esports!!


Matches like these are the reason why we would also vouch for a PC release of Tekken 7.

Minor note: JDCR actually called me out for playing too much KOF when I said "hi" on his stream. He is apparently familiar with KOF but doesn't play it. He is also pretty funny, especially when he streams with Miyagi. JDCR's English is also pretty good!
Follow this stream when you get the chance:

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Nov 2, 2015 16:40:06 GMT -5 Great Dark Hero said:

Yes. A little too much to be worth doing in the middle of combos. In fact, even if you launch the opponent and get one hit in the juggle, the damage of Rage Arts will still scale enormously. In a lot of cases, it seems like most intermediate players resort to Rage Arts to punish an unsafe string or strings with massive gaps within them. Or, you'd use them for whiff punishment... but if you are playing a character such as Devil Jin for example... why not just whiff punish with EWGF instead?

Also. I meant to post something earlier today. This is something each of you need to see! High-Level Tekken game play!

JDCR vs Knee ~ Esports!!


Knee vs Qudans ~ Esports!!


Matches like these are the reason why we would also vouch for a PC release of Tekken 7.

Minor note: JDCR actually called me out for playing too much KOF when I said "hi" on his stream. He is apparently familiar with KOF but doesn't play it. He is also pretty funny, especially when he streams with Miyagi. JDCR's English is also pretty good!
Follow this stream when you get the chance:

I try to play a little of everything but I have my phases with certain games. Who are the big boys in T7 atm?

[Great Dark Hero]

Top Tiers?

It seems like Shaheen, Law, Kazuya, Bryan, Jack-7, Devil Jin, Leo, and Dragunov are the most recurring candidates for that category... but your mileage may vary.
www.avoidingthepuddle.com/news/2015/6/16/tekken-7-nobi-shous-tier-lists-karei-vs-kagemaru-match-video.html
t7-norespect.blogspot.com.au/2015/06/nobis-tekken7-tier-list.html

If you're referring to the top players of Tekken,
it would definitely be players such as JDCR, Knee, Saint, Qudans, Only Practice, Chanel, Hao, etc, etc, etc.
There are many other extremely strong players but you would often see them at Green Game Land.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Nov 2, 2015 20:41:24 GMT -5 Great Dark Hero said:

Top Tiers?

It seems like Shaheen, Law, Kazuya, Bryan, Jack-7, Devil Jin, Leo, and Dragunov are the most recurring candidates for that category... but your mileage may vary.
www.avoidingthepuddle.com/news/2015/6/16/tekken-7-nobi-shous-tier-lists-karei-vs-kagemaru-match-video.html
t7-norespect.blogspot.com.au/2015/06/nobis-tekken7-tier-list.html

If you're referring to the top players of Tekken,
it would definitely be players such as JDCR, Knee, Saint, Qudans, Only Practice, Chanel, Hao, etc, etc, etc.
There are many other extremely strong players but you would often see them at Green Game Land.

Both actually, thanks.

So what makes you choose 3d fighters as well? Why do you play both? Do you feel the fundamentals carry over for you?

[Great Dark Hero]

... I'm not entirely sure.
The 3D fighting games just sort of grew on me over the years as I played them periodically.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Nov 3, 2015 1:25:28 GMT -5 Great Dark Hero said:

... I'm not entirely sure.
The 3D fighting games just sort of grew on me over the years as I played them periodically.

3d fighters to me have a stronger neutral aspect but don't have the same crazy "execution" dependence for craziness that you see evolve over time with 2d fighters. I saw a great article about this, I think I posted it before.

[Great Dark Hero]

Devil Jin (아빠도) vs Alisa (Chanel)

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Shaheen (Nobasin) vs Paul (Blue Sky)

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Xiaoyu (왜까)vs Yoshimitsu (Bug King)

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Kazuya (Cornchee) vs Lili (Battlemage)

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Feng (Kkokkoma) vs Claudio (DJ.Yarm)

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[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Nov 13, 2015 16:05:55 GMT -5 Great Dark Hero said:

Devil Jin (아빠도) vs Alisa (Chanel)

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Shaheen (Nobasin) vs Paul (Blue Sky)

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Xiaoyu (왜까)vs Yoshimitsu (Bug King)

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Kazuya (Cornchee) vs Lili (Battlemage)

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Feng (Kkokkoma) vs Claudio (DJ.Yarm)

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Are people already speculating on tiers in this game?

[Great Dark Hero]

Oh yeah, C-Master. Some top players had already made tiers for the game as it is now.

MGNoxa ...

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YES. YES. One of the few developers that do NOT give a rats ass about what some vocal minority says.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

This game looks more and more awesome by the second. I didn't know they were already doing tier lists but I guess we've been hearing a lot about the gameplay of T7 so it isn't too out of the question.

Liking the clips, keep them coming and I hope it's coming to PC.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

3d fighters are good for that, so you definitely should.

[Great Dark Hero]

Shout outs to Harada-san not giving a fuck about the minds of the politically correct and the SJW's...

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

That gif is win.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Nov 25, 2015 5:10:49 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

There's your girlfriend.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Nov 25, 2015 5:23:43 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

She could kick my ass at Tekken any day... but it is interesting the amount of women that actually played at Mastercup 8, has Tekken always had this many Women playing? Usually Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat, actually pretty much every fighter other than DoA is male dominated, at least in the west.

It'll be interesting to see if Tekken 7 has many women playing over here, I'd love to see a woman beat the crap out of the guys at Evo 2016.

A sign of the time, then again Japan has a different culture when it comes to this stuff.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Nov 25, 2015 5:55:45 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

Nov 25, 2015 5:36:40 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

A sign of the time, then again Japan has a different culture when it comes to this stuff.

I'm down for more women playing it's just the SJW's that piss me off. If more women wanted to play Tekken but wouldn't start because of the female characters that's a "tough shit" thing for me but if they wanted more female characters that they liked I would happily campaign for a few new female characters that aren't provocatively dressed.

Well I'll let the market decide what people want. Again music videos and movies are full of half dressed men and women, just like video games do. 99% of real life women don't care about stuff like that, and DoA has probably the highest percentage of female players of any fighter. Developers have to stop catering to these crowds. I don't see women campaigning about things for men so men don't need to do it either. Equal and all of that.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Nov 25, 2015 6:17:03 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

Nov 25, 2015 6:06:59 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Well I'll let the market decide what people want. Again music videos and movies are full of half dressed men and women, just like video games do. 99% of real life women don't care about stuff like that, and DoA has probably the highest percentage of female players of any fighter. Developers have to stop catering to these crowds. I don't see women campaigning about things for men so men don't need to do it either. Equal and all of that.

I understand what you mean, I just want everyone to be able to enjoy games. That means there needs to be cooperation, I want the stuff I want they want the stuff they want. Sometimes that cooperations comes in the form of agree to disagree sometimes the cooperation comes in the form of I'm ok if the new female Tekken character wore jeans and a jumper, I wouldn't want Lili to suddenly start wearing pants or the developers to feel they can't design whatever character they want, developer choice will always come first, at the same time I don't want the developer to feel pressured that the next female character needs to be sexy.

I don't want stuff to change that doesn't need to change and let's face it 99.9% of stuff doesn't need to change, like you said a lot of women don't care, they'd probably appreciate a character they can easily relate to but most probably don't care if there's only one woman that's dressed in "normal" clothes.

Yea but if someone doesn't enjoy a particular game, it's a free market. There's thousands of games for people to enjoy if they don't like that one. If men don't like Twilight they don't change a bunch of stuff to suit men. Just like all the shows aimed at women. If 1% of people don't like it, they can play something else.

I mean when I play modern games I have to put up with dumbed down crap left and right. Modern gaming sucks nowadays. but I have to deal with it because I know that 90% or so of players like it, including in games like SF. Companies don't cater to the minority audience and they shouldn't in entertainment that isn't aimed at women to begin with.

If chicks don't like it, they can play something else. Developers like making attractive female characters and the audience likes it, that's why they do it. I don't see lots of ugly people in TV or movies either. They do it to sell their products.

You and I agree that most don't care. I just feel that many guys try to give in to "help the girls" which is what these SJW's use to their advantage by using the "I'm a poor female" thing to get what they want.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Nov 25, 2015 7:09:08 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

Nov 25, 2015 6:28:43 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Yea but if someone doesn't enjoy a particular game, it's a free market. There's thousands of games for people to enjoy if they don't like that one. If men don't like Twilight they don't change a bunch of stuff to suit men. Just like all the shows aimed at women. If 1% of people don't like it, they can play something else.

I mean when I play modern games I have to put up with dumbed down crap left and right. Modern gaming sucks nowadays. but I have to deal with it because I know that 90% or so of players like it, including in games like SF. Companies don't cater to the minority audience and they shouldn't in entertainment that isn't aimed at women to begin with.

If chicks don't like it, they can play something else. Developers like making attractive female characters and the audience likes it, that's why they do it. I don't see lots of ugly people in TV or movies either. They do it to sell their products.

You and I agree that most don't care. I just feel that many guys try to give in to "help the girls" which is what these SJW's use to their advantage by using the "I'm a poor female" thing to get what they want.

I agree with everything you said, just that sometimes in male dominated stuff it can be hard for women to be heard. The problem video games are facing is SJW's not women. If SJW's wanted to start playing Tekken I wouldn't do anything to help them, I wouldn't even care if they approached it reasonable, there's no way I'm helping a SJW. If a woman who is genuinely a gamer, who realises that the majority of the fanbase is male, wants just one female character to be relatable to her and she doesn't care about any other female characters I will help her get her voice heard. Fun for everyone.

But yeah I think, this is going to sound obnoxious, but I think that if a woman wants to enjoy Tekken but has a problem with the female characters then there's nothing she can do about it because she is unfortunately in the minority, a smart business doesn't cater to the demands of the minority when it affects the majority of the audience in a negative way.

How so? How are women not being heard? Women are already given far too much power when it comes to things men do. What do men have nowadays that don't have the female influence penetrating it? Sports have pink ribbons and now you can't even swear at events without being thrown out in some places. You have a handful of women determining what's censored in male games and comics. Men have porn I guess but women have tried to get that banned too. Men don't have steak houses and sports bars anymore. About 75% of advertising is aimed at women. What about shopping malls? All of that is aimed at women too. It has nothing to do with gender, it has to do with money. Women spend more money than men by a large amount (although men earn more) so they get their voices heard a lot more. What about laws? Women have more laws in their favor than men do. Divorce laws, child support laws? Do we need more?

Men buy video games and comics more so it's catered to them. When women are the majority of consumers you'll see more catered to them, but content catered to them doesn't sell. Developers want to make money so trying to "diversify" everything and be all inclusive doesn't work. Why do men feel the need to hold women by the hand and coddle them? It's unnecessary. If women don't like Tekken, there are tens of thousands of games they can play.

I have female family members and other girls I know and they don't care. It's not needed. It just leads to what we have now. If anything the men need to be heard more.

Women respect men who stand up to them and tell them to buzz off. Hell I've had women try to tell me how to run my site, when I've had this site a decade and females don't post very often on these sites. The ones that did, didn't care about how the site looked or was ran.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Gamers are being heard based on what they buy, which is why games are dumbed down nowadays. If anything they are being muted out by the minority that don't play the games. I mean I don't care if they make a character for females, but men don't need to "campaign" for women to be heard more in gaming. It's not needed.

Do women campaign for men to be heard more in women dominated media? No, because they don't give a rats ass what men think. They don't care if men don't like 50 Shades of Grey because it's not for them. Chauvinism is a double standard and is sexism in disguise. If women are equal to men they can vote with their wallets like men do. They already do this, which is why way more things are catered to women than to men. Do you have any proof that this is a sexist conspiracy to keep women down? I don't think it is.

[JACK-2]

It's like the west doesn't even understand a free market anymore. In Japan products are marketed towards genders all the time. There are entire restaurants, Train cars, Manga, etc. Made for and many times by women. Has it not "Fair"? Men and Women have different taste most of the time. Hell, we separate products and advertising by age demographic why not by gender. This inclusivity nonsense has reached the point where people don't know how to make good business decisions.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Nov 25, 2015 8:16:53 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

It's like the west doesn't even understand a free market anymore. In Japan products are marketed towards genders all the time. There are entire restaurants, Train cars, Manga, etc. Made for and many times by women. Has it not "Fair"? Men and Women have different taste most of the time. Hell, we separate products and advertising by age demographic why not by gender. This inclusivity nonsense has reached the point where people don't know how to make good business decisions.

The odd thing is that women marketed stuff is seen more as "girly" and men don't like it as much (maybe gay men, but that's it). Stuff that's aimed at men is seen as more "general" and can be tolerated by both sides more. yet you still see them trying to take more general stuff and make it "inclusive" to women while leaving the female stuff alone.

Even Japanese companies are buckling to these western marxist trends. Let the marketplace take care of it. If there are huge amounts of women who demand "women" games then someone will come along and cater towards it, meaning they'll make boatloads of money and then competitors will show up, much like the Iphone.


These games don't sell very well, which is why you don't see many of them.

Honestly the only thing men can do now that isn't going to be infiltrated is productive based stuff that takes thought and logic. Things that involve building, robotics, math, science, and creation. You'll never have to worry about chicks dominating that lol. This is why I like creating things.

[JACK-2]

I don't understand the point, what kind of additions should Tekken make to appeal to a probably less than 1% group of women who play their games?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

The fans stuck in there because they like it, it's not like they're enduring something they hate. If a developer wants to cater to females, sure but why campaign over voluntary trade?

My Little Pony is oddly popular amongst guys. Kind of like older people like Spongebob.

I don't expect Twilight to cater to men so I wouldn't hold my breath.

It's not disrespectful to *not* listen to a fan, but they'll lose money if they do it, like companies that pander to SJW's.

I buy modern games that have all kinds of dumb stuff that I don't like in there, but I have to tolerate it if I want the game. The developers aren't going to cater to the small percentage of hardcore players, outside of maybe Dark Souls.

Look at SF5. They want to be a competitive game and they're still scrubbing it up.

You keep making this about women being victims, they're not. How is it any different anywhere else? Why do women deserve special treatment that men don't get? Women have enough catered to them.

[JACK-2]

I mean it can happen, but if the series doesn't focus on what you want why would you be a fan in the first place and then ask for fanservice suited to your taste?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Well this is what leads to the SJW types and the women who think they can come into male space and start ruining it. Look at how many male things have been ruined by females who don't even buy the product. They're not damsels in distress. They can handle the marketplace and do things they enjoy.

Besides saying "women play this game so we need to give them FEMALE stuff" almost sounds sexist in a way. Who are we to decide what these females should like? They like the product already.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Why assume the female hardcore fans aren't getting something because they're female and the men are? If they're hardcore fans they must like the product.

I mean there's plenty of shows that have more broad appeal than the original base.

For instance. Kim Possible was likely aimed at teenage girls and it had a female protagonist. However it had great humor, a variety of cool characters, plenty of funny male characters as well and some great villains. As a result people of all ages loved it and men liked it too for a variety of reasons (one being that Kim and Shego were hot and Ron was funny). Now I don't need the creators to do something specifically for men (the creators were men, like they are in most things) I already enjoyed the style and humor of the show and the references. That's why I'm a fan.

I became a fan because I liked what the creators did, not because I waited around for them to cater to me later. Otherwise I would just watch one of the other shows.

That's how the free market works. It's already fine. It's all voluntary which is how it should be.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Nov 25, 2015 20:38:50 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

I agree I'm just saying that like the TESD and their 13%ers sometimes the female fanbase doesn't have anything outside of the game that releases.

You don't agree, because you keep raising the point. Women have tens of thousands of options just like men do for gaming. This is not a women's issue. Consumers are satisfied by supply and demand and if they're hardcore fans they already like the product which means they're satisfied.

What options do men have in a lot of cases when it comes to entertainment, shopping malls, or anything else? Women aren't campaigning for it.

This is just like SJW thinking because it assumes we need to "cater" to groups. Just like when they try to cater to blacks by adding black characters or other things that aren't necessary. We don't need to cater to "minority" groups for diversity. It's SJW thinking.

This is like what they did with the WNBA. They decided "we need a women's sport", so now they have a crappy basketball program that nobody watches and is being subsidized by men... why? To give women something they don't even watch, it's nonsense.

Just focus on making money by satisfying actual fans and not non-fans.

Where are you getting the 13% figure for Tekken? Kim Possible had a much larger male figure. In fact it might have more male fans than female fans.

Nov 25, 2015 20:38:50 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

It doesn't even have to be in the game, it could be DLC or it could be merchandise like shirts and stuff. They probably do women's clothes but that's all I mean by it.

Only if it were financially prudent. The women are already wearing women's clothes and why are we assuming women don't like sexy women? Don't sexy pop stars, actresses, and musicians make tons of female money? Why do females listen to female singers like Taylor Swift? If those women dressed like fat lesbians nobody would buy their products. It's not necessary. You're speaking on their behalf and deciding what they want, but I haven't heard girls who actually play these games complain about the females. There are women who don't wear skirts in fighting games. Just go play those.

Look at Leona from Kof for instance. no skirt there. Kula, same thing. Plenty of options if they're not happy.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Nov 26, 2015 2:03:29 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

I think the reason it looks like we aren't agreeing is because I made it about sexy characters. I really do agree, just think of it if they weren't women just a very small percentage of the fan base and there was just a little joke, or shirt or a little dlc thing released. That's all I'm trying to say.

Why would they be fans if they didn't like the product? Developers already cater to their smaller parts while still aiming it at the whole. For instance Tekken has more character variety than just about anything.

You have robots, aliens, men, women, bears, etc. That's a lot of variety that you don't see in other games. Skullgirls even has variety and it's mostly girls.

Nov 26, 2015 2:03:29 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

I've never watched True Blood (so I might be getting shows mixed up) but there's a small fanbase that wanted these two guys to hook up and apparently there's a dream sequence when they do nearly hook up. That dream wouldn't of existed without that small section of the fanbase, it didn't change the show, it was just a dream sequence, it was a tip of the hat acknowledging that small group of fans.

I mean they can do what they want, but how do we know they want it? Did they say it? I don't like when developers go "Well we need to cater to black people, so let's add a strong, independent big mouth black woman". I'm black and I find that even more offensive tbh. Now that said are there are black people who have to watch shows that are "black shows" but they are really old or in the "sub optimal" category so to speak. Look at anime, how many black people are in anime? Lots of blacks watch it.

Nov 26, 2015 2:03:29 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

I would like to see more Women play Tekken or any other game just not at the expense of the Developers Freedom that's why we agree. They should never change anything to appease the small minority market, it's a bad business decision and it annoys the people that are buying the games.

Why does it need to be women playing though? Wouldn't it be good if people who liked it played it? That's how SJW's think. We need "insert group here" to play these games. I don't see why we need more women playing it? Because they're women? Because guys want to ask them out (maybe). I don't get it. People who like the games should play them, the bottom line is women don't like playing fighting games that much compared to other genres just like they don't like they don't like martial arts movies like men do. I don't see why men feel it's necessary to "take care of women" in this manner. Do women do the same for us? We shouldn't do the same for them.

The one they like the most is... DOA (surprise). Btw there are a far higher percentage of female characters than women who play fighting games.

Nov 26, 2015 2:03:29 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

If women want to play fighting games but they don't want sexy female characters then tough shit, go make your own game or show that you are a viable market and get someone to make it for you.

I get that you don't want ugly women, but why do we need to "cover them up" when women are happy to play DoA?

Nov 26, 2015 2:03:29 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

The 13%ers are from TESD, I just used them as an example to show what I mean. TESD only had male merchandise, then they decided to make something for the 13%ers (female fanbase) it was just one shirt and they only made a few hundred.

If that's what they want to do it's fine, but it's not necessary. 13% still isn't the majority but it's not bad.

Just make a quality product, that's all they need to do.