Peak Humans

[kuwabara]

How many peakhumans are there? who are the peak humans?


also I was wondering capt peak human, but so is black widow how ever men and woman are different in structure so capt has the strength avantage how ever woman have the great endurence so would not black widows endurence beat that of capt?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Captain America is definitely peak human or it destorys the purpose of him despite his jobber aura.

[kuwabara]

admin said:

Captain America is definitely peak human or it destorys the purpose of him despite his jobber aura.

yes, but who else is?


I know black widow is as well.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

DareDevil, Elecktra, Bullseye, Kingpin is too, it can go on for awhile.

[kuwabara]

admin said:

DareDevil, Elecktra, Bullseye, Kingpin is too, it can go on for awhile.

there no true ones. like I mean all around peakhuman such as like agility strength reflex and so on.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

kuwabara said:

admin said:

DareDevil, Elecktra, Bullseye, Kingpin is too, it can go on for awhile.

there no true ones. like I mean all around peakhuman such as like agility strength reflex and so on.

So what's wrong with Kingpin?

[kuwabara]

admin said:

kuwabara said:

there no true ones. like I mean all around peakhuman such as like agility strength reflex and so on.

So what's wrong with Kingpin?

true he may in fact be it how ever I not totaly sure his reflexes are.


so king pin, black widow , capt and who esle?

[Psyquis52]

Batman, Nightwing, Green Arrow, Black Canary (sans voice)
Huntress, Batgirl, Arsenal,

Night Thrasher (before he died), Hawkeye (Dead?)
Punisher (not dead )

[alfheim]

admin said:

Captain America is definitely peak human or it destorys the purpose of him despite his jobber aura.

BOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

[kuwabara]

psyquis52 said:

Batman, Nightwing, Green Arrow, Black Canary (sans voice)
Huntress, Batgirl, Arsenal,

Night Thrasher (before he died), Hawkeye (Dead?)
Punisher (not dead )

how are they peakhumans? none of them are maybe batman and even that im not sure

[imperium]

marvel

Shang chi, The Cat, Captain America, iron fist (his move is a disipline of focusing his chi to his hand to create the 'iron fist'. Ronin, Electra, mantis before upgrade, Midnight etc

[alfheim]

Actually in hindsight Cap is actually superhuman.

www.marveldirectory.com/strengthlevels/index.htm

The upper limit human level range is anything under a 1000lbs.

img206.imageshack.us/img206/7048/captainamericav1402ocd0fr6.jpg

As you know that is Cap lifting at least 1100lbs. Cap being peak human is the same as Namor lifting 85 tons in water and 40 tons out. Its basically BS because his feats contradict it all the time. This by the way is just a training session and is under no stress.

Im just talking facts.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

alfheim said:

Actually in hindsight Cap is actually superhuman.

www.marveldirectory.com/strengthlevels/index.htm

The upper limit human level range is anything under a 1000lbs.

img206.imageshack.us/img206/7048/captainamericav1402ocd0fr6.jpg

As you know that is Cap lifting at least 1100lbs. Cap being peak human is the same as Namor lifting 85 tons in water and 40 tons out. Its basically BS because his feats contradict it all the time. This by the way is just a training session and is under no stress.

Im just talking facts.

Strongest lifter did over a 1,000 lbs in the world.

[alfheim]

Damn that needs updating then. Apparently though he could be lifting 2200lbs, beacuse those barbells could be 1100 lbs each, thats why the caption says at least..but im not sure.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

alfheim said:

Damn that needs updating then. Apparently though he could be lifting 2200lbs, beacuse those barbells could be 1100 lbs each, thats why the caption says at least..but im not sure.

I thought it was 1100 lbs though, that was what the feat was made out to be.

[kuwabara]

first off I like to mention capt is peakhuman. His ferat of 1,100 is his best feat ever and has no feats that can be compared to it. Not to mention he did it once. Al;so don't give me that oh he was not tryign crap. Capt whole character is supose to not show weakness. The fatc is he was more then likly giving his all and was hiding it so to not show weakness.


also does capt have another feat that matches that? Nope and he not superhuman in strength that for sure. Logan is and capt has no feats that compare with logans upper feats. Really black panther andf capt are peakhuman in strength for sure.

[EsteemedLeader©]

Logan's strength does not surpass Cap's by any stretch of the imagination.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

esteemedleader said:

Logan's strength does not surpass Cap's by any stretch of the imagination.

And even if it did I don't believe it would be as much as it's made out to be.

[kuwabara]

Your both wrong actaully. Logan strength not only is stated to be stronger, but also is proven to be stronger in his feats. He has lifted more then capts has with one arm and capt has only been able to do one impressive feat which was 1,100 pounds. Logan has lifted well over that.
Also Logan has never ounce been stated as a peakhuman just to let you all know.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

kuwabara said:

Your both wrong actaully. Logan strength not only is stated to be stronger, but also is proven to be stronger in his feats. He has lifted more then capts has with one arm and capt has only been able to do one impressive feat which was 1,100 pounds. Logan has lifted well over that.
Also Logan has never ounce been stated as a peakhuman just to let you all know.

I didn't say he hasn't been proven stronger, but his skeleton does allow him a leverage advantage.

And yes his most reliable sources say: Logan is in the shape, strength, conditioning, and speed of a man that regularly engages in normal exercise. Which now that I think of it is lower than peak. Which is where Logan was anyways.

[kuwabara]

admin said:

kuwabara said:

Your both wrong actaully. Logan strength not only is stated to be stronger, but also is proven to be stronger in his feats. He has lifted more then capts has with one arm and capt has only been able to do one impressive feat which was 1,100 pounds. Logan has lifted well over that.
Also Logan has never ounce been stated as a peakhuman just to let you all know.

I didn't say he hasn't been proven stronger, but his skeleton does allow him a leverage advantage.

And yes his most reliable sources say: Logan is in the shape, strength, conditioning, and speed of a man that regularly engages in normal exercise. Which now that I think of it is lower than peak. Which is where Logan was anyways.

His skeleton aids in holding some thing up not lifting it. Logan has feat that surpass capt greatly and he plain bone claws wolverine.


wait wait wait wait. Why is it most reliable? Becuase it is the only listing that has logan strength shown badly? I sware some times you have terrable bias when it comes to logan. Please I am begging to know why thats the most reliable? It goes against ever other source and was reconned right away due to how inaccurate it was and yet you feel it most reliable. I never get annoyed with you, but that remark was dumb and biassed in a bad way.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

You totally misinterpreted my comment. You asked if it was listed and I said it was by official sources. I never said how much I stand on those, my arguments can be misleading, and I feel this will just get into a worse one now, because you get offended easily it seems.

His skeleton aids in holding some thing up not lifting it. Logan has feat that surpass capt greatly and he plain bone claws wolverine.that remark was dumb and biassed in a bad way.

And Cap has feats that surpass Wolverine, feat wars go on for hours. The skeleton does help in lifting things up, because it helps alleviate the tension, and also helps with overall strength, because of density, try something else other than criticizing a comment.

wait wait wait wait. Why is it most reliable? Becuase it is the only listing that has logan strength shown badly?

It is the most reliable source because it was an actual listing was my point, actually all of his listings are like that. You conjectured that Logan had no place that said he was peak, and I showed you where it was. Honestly I would put him above that but not by 10x like you or other Wolverine supporters would, so don't assume.

I sware some times you have terrable bias when it comes to logan.

I do? Just because I don't think he can lift a tree, move as fast as Spiderman, or jump 50 feet in the air. I'm tons more lenient than other people who argue against Logan, but the things that are said in his favor are so dumb and absurd. Stabbing Thanos, jumping 50 feet, being an empath. I think he's stronger than Capt, but I was going against the point you said. I notice that any character you like like Logan, Kuwabara, or whoever on the boards you tend to think they are underrated and support them against anyone despite showings to the contrary, you tend to ignore the ones going against your character. I think Logan beats, DD, Cap, and Black Panther, along with guys like Batman. I just don't think he beats gets the majority from Thing, Hulk, Namor and Spiderman like the other fanatics.

Please I am begging to know why thats the most reliable? It goes against ever other source and was reconned right away due to how inaccurate it was and yet you feel it most reliable.

Is Logan's "retcon" his ridiculously amped up feats to please his fans. Why does the listing not exist. I haven't seen Logan written to date as superhuman, only as peak from marvel in all of his stats in bios. I myself find him enhanced human, which is beyond peak, in physical areas. But not a Superhuman in the level of Spiderman. Why are the craziest feats the most reliable to you and everything else PIS? And I know he has changed, which is why I said *was*.

I never get annoyed with you, but that remark was dumb and biassed in a bad way.

Because anything that doesn't make Logan out in who you want him to be (i.e vastly superhuman and surviving everything) is superbiased. I don't really care one way or the other, anyone who knows me knows I pay more attention to fanboys than the characters at this point and time, neither character will vanish because they lose in an hypothetical argument.

[kuwabara]

admin said:

You totally misinterpreted my comment. You asked if it was listed and I said it was by official sources. I never said how much I stand on those, my arguments can be misleading, and I feel this will just get into a worse one now, because you get offended easily it seems.

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The fact is it was not. It was stated ounce by an official source and was redone in the next hand book. Your argument was quite misleading since you said the only “reliable source” which frankly made me think you only think that one terribly inaccurate source was correct. Also I don’t get offend easily which you for one should know lol. I stated already to you that I was annoyed by some thing else and not to take it to serous how ever you must of missed that. I said it in kmc to know, but you never answered back.

And Cap has feats that surpass Wolverine,

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He really does not though. His best feat is that 1,100 which logan ahs surpassed with one arm and capt has never duplicated a feat equal to that again.

feat wars go on for hours.

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True how ever I had this feat war before with king kam and one rather easily.

The skeleton does help in lifting things up, because it helps alleviate the tension, and also helps with overall strength, because of density,

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This only aids you in supporting heavy waits not really lifting them.

try something else other than criticizing a comment.

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Will do

It is the most reliable source because it was an actual listing was my point, .

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Actual listing? It never listed really any thing though. It listed no more then any of his other sources which all stated him beyond human.

You conjectured that Logan had no place that said he was peak, and I showed you where it was.

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You never showed me were it was lol. All you did was list the sources that I stated was the one source that states logan lower then beyond peakhuma. It also stated logan as not even being peakhuman.

Honestly I would put him above that but not by 10x like you or other Wolverine supporters would, so don't assume.

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I only think logan is 2 tons.

I do? Just because I don't think he can lift a tree, move as fast as Spiderman, or jump 50 feet in the air. I'm tons more lenient than other people who argue against Logan, but the things that are said in his favor are so dumb and absurd. Stabbing Thanos, jumping 50 feet,

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No it because the one source you find reliable is the only source that does not state logan as beyond peakhuman hell it states logan as not even peakhuman.

being an empath.

Im not even sure why you have problems believing this. It not a strength he has animal nature and has shown empathy abilities a numerous ocassions due to his animal side.

I think he's stronger than Capt, but I was going against the point you said.

Good.

I notice that any character you like like Logan, Kuwabara, or whoever on the boards you tend to think they are underrated

Logan is underrated by many. Perfect example is metalmax thinking Daredevil can defeat Logan the majority makes little to know sense. Logan has DD powers and then some.
Kuwabara just underrated in general. That’s due to beign the least popular fighter.

and support them against anyone despite showings to the contrary,

When have I ever done this?

you tend to ignore the ones going against your character.

Really like when?

I think Logan beats, DD, Cap, and Black Panther, along with guys like Batman. I just don't think he beats gets the majority from Thing, Hulk, Namor and Spiderman like the other fanatics.

Why are that fanatic for thinking logan beats spiderman or thing? Even namor not out of question in a h2h confrontation. I will give you hulk though that just not gunna happen.
Hell Thing should not take logan the majority and that easy to prove.

Is Logan's "retcon" his ridiculously amped up feats to please his fans.

First off The whole hand book was reconned not because of logan, but due to the inaccurate character stats of most all of the characters listed in the books. Also Before this hand book had come out logan had lifted and thrown a shark, lifted a tree, punch a guy so hard under water he slammed into a wall and his head went through it and so on.

Why does the listing not exist.

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I haven't seen Logan written to date as superhuman,

Really now? Marvel hand book 2002-2003 master edition
Marvel knights encyclopedia 2003
Official Wolverine hand book of the marvel universe
Marvel comics presents Wolverine volume 2
Hulk ultimate guide also states wolverine with superhuman strength.
(THE SHOW DOWN OF THE CENTURY DC VERSUS MARVEL COMICS) also states wolverine with superhuman strength.
“The Marvel Universe Master Edition Issue 4

Also this is just some of the sources.

only as peak from marvel in all of his stats in bios.

Really can your prove this? Logan has never been listed as peakhuman as I recall how ever I could be incorrect. I do know for a fact that almost ever single source states him as beyond peakhuman

I myself find him enhanced human, which is beyond peak, in physical areas. But not a Superhuman in the level of Spiderman.

See here we disagree. Logan I feel strength wise is just 2 tons. How ever his other area are far higher.

Why are the craziest feats the most reliable to you and everything else PIS?

? I think I have only said one thing is PIS in pretty much my whole forum career. So this statement is just inaccurate. craziest? When has logan ever failed to lift some thing?

Because anything that doesn't make Logan out in who you want him to be (i.e vastly superhuman and surviving everything) is superbiased.

First off have I ever said logan has vast superhuman strength? Nope never have I said 2 tons. I never said logan survives ever thing how ever he is immortal so that for the most part can be true. I have always thought this well not always , but for a year or 2. I had many debates about this with very knowledgeable debaters before I came to my conclusion and was later proven correct.

I don't really care one way or the other, anyone who knows me knows I pay more attention to fanboys than the characters at this point and time, neither character will vanish because they lose in an hypothetical argument.

Very true statement. I also as stated early am sorry about the way this came out I was annoyed about some thing else and took it out on you my bad.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Yea fighting is pointless... plus I'm not going to requote that.

[Magic attack]

Just so everyone knows, the actual quote in Wolverine's Handbook is listed as-

"The reinforcement of his skeleton enables Wolverine to withstand high levels of physical pressure, giving his muscles sufficient force to briefly lift/press several hundred pounds."

Interpret that as you will.


Unfortunately the handbooks are always wrong in one aspect or another. I would think that Marvel should be able to write a correct handbook about its own creations.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

shakezula said:

Just so everyone knows, the actual quote in Wolverine's Handbook is listed as-

"The reinforcement of his skeleton enables Wolverine to withstand high levels of physical pressure, giving his muscles sufficient force to briefly lift/press several hundred pounds."

Interpret that as you will.


Unfortunately the handbooks are always wrong in one aspect or another. I would think that Marvel should be able to write a correct handbook about its own creations.

It's 800 pounds if I remember. Handbooks tend to be inaccurate, but it's not always their fault that the writers do what they want with the characters, esp. with guys that get popular out of nowhere. Some are rather accurate like Spiderman, but he isn't thrown in a publicity stunt every two months.

[alfheim]

kuwabara said:

first off I like to mention capt is peakhuman. His ferat of 1,100 is his best feat ever and has no feats that can be compared to it. Not to mention he did it once. Al;so don't give me that oh he was not tryign crap..

What you mean dont give me that crap. He wasnt even breathing heavily. If you look at what happened straight afterwards he went and did some gymnastics. So what your telling me is that if 1100llbs is a great strain to somebody they will be able to do gymnastics afterwards.

No im sorry I dont think he is peak human regardless of what the bios say. Cap has also been descrbed as enhanced human. His feats are closer to enhanced than peak.

img214.imageshack.us/img214/5494/civilwarsfiles011sc6.jpg

Can Namor only lift 40 tons out of water?

kuwabara said:

Capt whole character is supose to not show weakness. The fatc is he was more then likly giving his all and was hiding it so to not show weakness.

Sorry your going to have to do better than that. I have already dealt with this point.

kuwabara said:

also does capt have another feat that matches that? Nope and he not superhuman in strength that for sure. Logan is and capt has no feats that compare with logans upper feats. Really black panther andf capt are peakhuman in strength for sure.

Yes he does......sheeesshh. Your talking out of pure ignorance. Pulling a door off a steel tractor for one.

[alfheim]

Awww man I should not have posted that link but never mind I can still argue my case.

Ok I know what your going to say. Heres DD.

img218.imageshack.us/img218/7518/civilwarsfiles014sn7.jpg

Do the math. DD is not classified as enhanced human.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

alfheim said:

Awww man I should not have posted that link but never mind I can still argue my case.

Ok I know what your going to say. Heres DD.

img218.imageshack.us/img218/7518/civilwarsfiles014sn7.jpg

Do the math. DD is not classified as enhanced human.

I don't think he's enhanced physically, just superhuman senses.

[Magic attack]

admin said:

shakezula said:

Just so everyone knows, the actual quote in Wolverine's Handbook is listed as-

"The reinforcement of his skeleton enables Wolverine to withstand high levels of physical pressure, giving his muscles sufficient force to briefly lift/press several hundred pounds."

Interpret that as you will.


Unfortunately the handbooks are always wrong in one aspect or another. I would think that Marvel should be able to write a correct handbook about its own creations.

It's 800 pounds if I remember. Handbooks tend to be inaccurate, but it's not always their fault that the writers do what they want with the characters, esp. with guys that get popular out of nowhere. Some are rather accurate like Spiderman, but he isn't thrown in a publicity stunt every two months.

You have to know what to look for in these bio's. In Rogue's handbook entry for X-Men(2004), it lists-

Strength Level- Rogue possesses the normal human strength level of a woman her age, height and build who engages in intensive regular excercise.


Now that is fine, I find nothing wrong with that. But the chart has her listed as a level 6 in strength. So a woman that partakes in regular intensive excercise has level 6 strength. lol