Peak Humans

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

alfheim said:

admin said:

The world record for both is higher now... evenlittle bit higher doesn't make a superhuman,

Well let me guess they still only bench around a 1000lbs nd they were still using benchshirts. How many reps did they do of a 1000lbs , my point is simple if they can only do one rep and Cap can do alot more with one rep he can do a superhuman amount




Yeah it does because if peak human is around a 1000lbs and somebody can do much more than that hes superhuman.

www.musclenet.com/1repmaxcalculator.htm

1100 x10 = 1394lbs one rep that is till superhuman. Remember Cap did Gymnastics after so doing 10 of 1100 didnt even make him tired sos he could do more.

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But your logical deduction is faulty because you are using examples that please you even when the majority points to the contrary, your conclusion goes against stated fact but yet you hold onto it. It's fallacy of exclusion AND slothful deduction. I know because I am in grad level debating class.

I dont take it serioulsy because Namor has been classified as being in 85 tons range but you dont have a problem with that. If you were consistent iot would help.

SSS makes it so he doesn't really get tired.

I didn't say anything about Namor. Ever. That's you using it as a scapegoat. You're the only one inconsistent here my friend. You don't like what marvel says about Cap being peak, but then you turn around and use "marvel says 1000 is superhuman" when it suits you. I hope you see how biased you're being. This is just what someone else did. You disregard things when it suits you, and cling to things that should be taken with a grain of salt. Cap's entire history saying he's peak along with him saying he's not superhuman in the same panel is stronger than the amount of weight that Nightcrawler said he lifted. You are going out of your way to see something that's not there. Cap can do superhuman feats but he's not Superhuman, he's not even enhanced human. I'd rather you argue him enhanced human than Superhuman.

[alfheim]

admin said:

SSS makes it so he doesn't really get tired.

Thats a cop out. If the weight was really heavy he would still get tired. This happened when he picked up a sumo wrestler and chucked him after fighting several guys. If something is heavy enough it affects stamina.

admin said:

I didn't say anything about Namor. Ever.

My point is should somebody who is classified as 85 tons be able to fight people who can lift 100,000s of tons. Please answer the question, you clearly dont have aproblem with it.

admin said:

That's you using it as a scapegoat. You're the only one inconsistent here my friend. You don't like what marvel says about Cap being peak, but then you turn around and use "marvel says 1000 is superhuman" when it suits you.

You do know that I never said 1000lbs is superhuman? That shows your not listening. Its not a hard concept. The strongest humans can do one rep of 1000lbs if you can do aprrox tens reps of 1100lbs

admin said:

I hope you see how biased you're being. This is just what someone else did. You disregard things when it suits you, and cling to things that should be taken with a grain of salt.

Well when you tell me Namor shouldnt be able to fight Thor then we can start.

admin said:

Cap's entire history saying he's peak along with him saying he's not superhuman in the same panel is stronger than the amount of weight that Nightcrawler said he lifted.

Well ive already explained this

admin said:

You are going out of your way to see something that's not there. Cap can do superhuman feats but he's not Superhuman, he's not even enhanced human. I'd rather you argue him enhanced human than Superhuman.

Well when you say things like I say Cap can hit with 100tons of force and that I think that 1000lbs is superhuman, its simply means you are not reading my posts properly because if you were you would not say that.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

alfheim said:

Thats a cop out. If the weight was really heavy he would still get tired. This happened when he picked up a sumo wrestler and chucked him after fighting several guys. If something is heavy enough it affects stamina.

It isn't a cop out, it's a fact about your beloved character. If someone doesn't produce lactic buildup it dramatically affects their workout and how and what they lift, it affects how fast they can go again. That feat you mentioned is a pure example of what I mean. In a fight your body produces lactic acid and you get tired so you don't overwork yourself. If he can lift it, he can lift it. The only thing that's different is that he can do better feats under extreme duress.


A sumo wrestler is about 700 lbs max.

alfheim said:

My point is should somebody who is classified as 85 tons be able to fight people who can lift 100,000s of tons. Please answer the question, you clearly dont have aproblem with it.

Your logic is skewered. I never brought up Namor. Ever. And strength isn't directly proportional to fights. How can Wolverine hang with the Hulk as long as he does? It's something else besides strength right?

And by your same logic Cap shouldn't hang with someone like Spiderman who can lift at max about 150,000 lbs or more, and is faster, and can stick to walls, and has precog, and stingers...

But, you clearly don't have a problem with that.

alfheim said:

You do know that I never said 1000lbs is superhuman? That shows your not listening. Its not a hard concept. The strongest humans can do one rep of 1000lbs if you can do aprrox tens reps of 1100lbs

You said marvel said that, I'm listening fine, you're contradicting yourself.

Again he doesn't buildup lactic acid so the amount doesn't matter. That's not even how superhuman is classified.

alfheim said:

Well when you tell me Namor shouldnt be able to fight Thor then we can start.

Fighting isn't about strength, or else your character shouldn't (and really shouldn't) stand up to anyone over about 5 tons. You did argue him against Thor h2h didn't you? By use of pressure points.

alfheim said:

Well ive already explained this

As have I.

alfheim said:

Well when you say things like I say Cap can hit with 100tons of force and that I think that 1000lbs is superhuman, its simply means you are not reading my posts properly because if you were you would not say that.

That's what it looked like at first, you changed it around a bit but that was the starting product.

[alfheim]

admin said:

It isn't a cop out, it's a fact about your beloved character. If someone doesn't produce lactic buildup it dramatically affects their workout and how and what they lift, it affects how fast they can go again. That feat you mentioned is a pure example of what I mean. In a fight your body produces lactic acid and you get tired so you don't overwork yourself. If he can lift it, he can lift it. The only thing that's different is that he can do better feats under extreme duress.

Bro you do realise that cap gets tired. Its real simple if the weight was heavy he would still be breathing hard. What dont you understand. So your telling me because the serum elimnates lactic acid Cap can breath hard or never gets tired?

admin said:

A sumo wrestler is about 700 lbs max.

and? Just focusing on 700lbs will not get my point there are other details as well.

admin said:

Your logic is skewered. I never brought up Namor. Ever.

Again not even the point

admin said:

And strength isn't directly proportional to fights. How can Wolverine hang with the Hulk as long as he does? It's something else besides strength right?

Er Adamntuim bones and super sharp claws, heaing factor. Namor got super sharp claws?

admin said:

And by your same logic Cap shouldn't hang with someone like Spiderman who can lift at max about 150,000 lbs or more, and is faster, and can stick to walls, and has precog, and stingers...

But, you clearly don't have a problem with that.

Come back to me when you understand my point. When you explain it to me

admin said:

You said marvel said that, I'm listening fine, you're contradicting yourself.

How do you know that when you dont even understand what im saying.

admin said:

Again he doesn't buildup lactic acid so the amount doesn't matter.
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Heavy weight still get him tired.

admin said:

That's not even how superhuman is classified.

Of course not and the rules dont state that Bats can creep up on Supes.

admin said:

Fighting isn't about strength, or else your character shouldn't (and really shouldn't) stand up to anyone over about 5 tons.

Wow lets stop at 5 tons

admin said:

You did argue him against Thor h2h didn't you? By use of pressure points.

Nope, Namor. So you got that wrong...again.

admin said:

That's what it looked like at first, you changed it around a bit but that was the starting product.

Stop making excuse. I categorically stated that I don think he can hit with a 100 tons of force in reply to your post in KMC and even implied that before you posted. If people dont even know me can actually understand what im saying im not the one with the problem.

Somehow im biased but I can change from Cap 6/10 to Spiderman 7/10 and actually do research but you cant even read this.....

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well ok but neither do I. I dont think that Cap can hit with the same amount of force as a 100 tons with skill. I think Cap can use his skill to make his punches have the same affect as a somebody in the class 100 range for example being able to hurt, stun or ko somebody in the class 100 range.

As you said Cap can multiply his force but Cap aint destroying a mountain.

Furthermore this is what somebody else had to say...

Originally posted by chilled monkey
That's the point. Cap doesn't hit with 100 ton damage. He doesn't need to, because his skill allows him to hit weak ponts with precision. That's how he's able to defeat super-strong foes. Not with force, but with precision.

It's like Muhammed Ali. He was the greatest boxer ever, not because he was the hardest-hitting (he wasn't), but because of his skill and technique.

He can get it but you cant? Stop making excuses.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

alfheim said:

admin said:

It isn't a cop out, it's a fact about your beloved character. If someone doesn't produce lactic buildup it dramatically affects their workout and how and what they lift, it affects how fast they can go again. That feat you mentioned is a pure example of what I mean. In a fight your body produces lactic acid and you get tired so you don't overwork yourself. If he can lift it, he can lift it. The only thing that's different is that he can do better feats under extreme duress.

Bro you do realise that cap gets tired. Its real simple if the weight was heavy he would still be breathing hard. What dont you understand. So your telling me because the serum elimnates lactic acid Cap can breath hard or never gets tired?



and? Just focusing on 700lbs will not get my point there are other details as well.



Again not even the point



Er Adamntuim bones and super sharp claws, heaing factor. Namor got super sharp claws?



Come back to me when you understand my point. When you explain it to me




How do you know that when you dont even understand what im saying.



Heavy weight still get him tired.



Of course not and the rules dont state that Bats can creep up on Supes.




Wow lets stop at 5 tons



Nope, Namor. So you got that wrong...again.



Stop making excuse. I categorically stated that I don think he can hit with a 100 tons of force in reply to your post in KMC and even implied that before you posted. If people dont even know me can actually understand what im saying im not the one with the problem.

Somehow im biased but I can change from Cap 6/10 to Spiderman 7/10 and actually do research but you cant even read this.....



Furthermore this is what somebody else had to say...

Originally posted by chilled monkey
That's the point. Cap doesn't hit with 100 ton damage. He doesn't need to, because his skill allows him to hit weak ponts with precision. That's how he's able to defeat super-strong foes. Not with force, but with precision.

It's like Muhammed Ali. He was the greatest boxer ever, not because he was the hardest-hitting (he wasn't), but because of his skill and technique.

He can get it but you cant? Stop making excuses.

What post at KMC? I remember saying something along the lines that technique can make up for some strength, but not to the degree of 100 tons. I can comprehend points quite fine.

Oh and I'm not making any excuses, you keep adjusting your point my friend. I corrected what I misread but my point stands.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

alfheim said:

admin said:

It isn't a cop out, it's a fact about your beloved character. If someone doesn't produce lactic buildup it dramatically affects their workout and how and what they lift, it affects how fast they can go again. That feat you mentioned is a pure example of what I mean. In a fight your body produces lactic acid and you get tired so you don't overwork yourself. If he can lift it, he can lift it. The only thing that's different is that he can do better feats under extreme duress.

Bro you do realise that cap gets tired. Its real simple if the weight was heavy he would still be breathing hard. What dont you understand. So your telling me because the serum elimnates lactic acid Cap can breath hard or never gets tired?



and? Just focusing on 700lbs will not get my point there are other details as well.



Again not even the point



Er Adamntuim bones and super sharp claws, heaing factor. Namor got super sharp claws?



Come back to me when you understand my point. When you explain it to me




How do you know that when you dont even understand what im saying.



Heavy weight still get him tired.



Of course not and the rules dont state that Bats can creep up on Supes.




Wow lets stop at 5 tons



Nope, Namor. So you got that wrong...again.



Stop making excuse. I categorically stated that I don think he can hit with a 100 tons of force in reply to your post in KMC and even implied that before you posted. If people dont even know me can actually understand what im saying im not the one with the problem.

Somehow im biased but I can change from Cap 6/10 to Spiderman 7/10 and actually do research but you cant even read this.....



Furthermore this is what somebody else had to say...

Originally posted by chilled monkey
That's the point. Cap doesn't hit with 100 ton damage. He doesn't need to, because his skill allows him to hit weak ponts with precision. That's how he's able to defeat super-strong foes. Not with force, but with precision.

It's like Muhammed Ali. He was the greatest boxer ever, not because he was the hardest-hitting (he wasn't), but because of his skill and technique.

He can get it but you cant? Stop making excuses.

Your point is that you're theorizing that him lifting 500 "tired" allows him to jump to six hundred and therefore making him superhuman. My several points go against yours that you aren't understanding. You argued him against Namor mind controlled, and Thor. And I'm not trying to be mean or rude, but you do have a strong favor towards Cap, which I understand just like I know Capt it up likes Wolverine, that doesn't however mean I'll agree with how you guys view your characters, or how anyone else will.

You keep going from what marvel said when it suits you, then Herc, then real world, while at the same time discarding real world when it makes Cap look less, discarding Marvel when it makes Cap look less, and discarding feats when it makes Cap look less. It isn't an objective way to debate.

[alfheim]

admin said:

What post at KMC? I remember saying something along the lines that technique can make up for some strength, but not to the degree of 100 tons. I can comprehend points quite fine..

Not you me, dear oh dear.

admin said:

Oh and I'm not making any excuses, you keep adjusting your point my friend. I corrected what I misread but my point stands.

Well you dont even undertsand a simple point like this, so clearly you dont. Lets start again:

Did you or did you not say I said that Cap hits with 100 tons of force?

What were my quotes for? The quotes were there to show you that I stated that I categorically said that Cap does not hit with a 100 tons of force but despite that you come on here telling me he did.

Then I post the quotes out for you and you still dont get it.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

alfheim said:

admin said:

What post at KMC? I remember saying something along the lines that technique can make up for some strength, but not to the degree of 100 tons. I can comprehend points quite fine..

Not you me, dear oh dear.

admin said:

Oh and I'm not making any excuses, you keep adjusting your point my friend. I corrected what I misread but my point stands.

Well you dont even undertsand a simple point like this, so clearly you dont. Lets start again:

Did you or did you not say I said that Cap hits with 100 tons of force?

What were my quotes for? The quotes were there to show you that I stated that I categorically said that Cap does not hit with a 100 tons of force but despite that you come on here telling me he did.

Then I post the quotes out for you and you still dont get it.

No you implied it at first, it looked that way to everyone else, so maybe you have problems communicating. You probably didn't say those exact words, but that's how it was interpreted, not just by me.

[alfheim]

admin said:

No you implied it at first, it looked that way to everyone else, so maybe you have problems communicating. You probably didn't say those exact words, but that's how it was interpreted, not just by me.

Really? Theres different ways of looking at it.

1. Were they just trying to make fun of me or did they genuinely misunderstand me? For example stupid statements like "Those scans look 30 years old." when they clearly were not. Saying stupid things like Cap touched the disk on the back of Namors neck when you can clearly see he didnt.

2. Is Newjak more intelligent than you because he got it at the very beginning.

Originally posted by Newjak
Hey Guys I understand what Alf is trying to say. He isn't trying to say that Captain America can actually exert 100 tons of force that is a ludicrous statement.

All he is trying to say is that with his shield and knowledge of the human anotomy(Pressure and Weak Points) that Capt can recreate the effect of a 100 ton punch. Which is very reasonable.

So there really isn't a reason to try and jump down his throat if that is what some people were trying to do.

3. As I mentioned ALREADY. In response to your post in KMC I wrote this.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well ok but neither do I. I dont think that Cap can hit with the same amount of force as a 100 tons with skill. I think Cap can use his skill to make his punches have the same affect as a somebody in the class 100 range for example being able to hurt, stun or ko somebody in the class 100 range.

So even after I made it absoultely clear your still saying that I made it look like Cap hits with a 100 tons of force. Well you know what this guy got it as well.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
That's the point. Cap doesn't hit with 100 ton damage. He doesn't need to, because his skill allows him to hit weak ponts with precision. That's how he's able to defeat super-strong foes. Not with force, but with precision.

It's like Muhammed Ali. He was the greatest boxer ever, not because he was the hardest-hitting (he wasn't), but because of his skill and technique.

Furthermore I was speaking to an Emma Frost fan, I categorically asked her did you think I said Cap hits with a 100 tons of force. She said no and even before I asked her she complemented me on the thread.

So clearly it seems these people are more intelligent than you.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

alfheim said:

admin said:

No you implied it at first, it looked that way to everyone else, so maybe you have problems communicating. You probably didn't say those exact words, but that's how it was interpreted, not just by me.

Really? Theres different ways of looking at it.

1. Were they just trying to make fun of me or did they genuinely misunderstand me? For example stupid statements like "Those scans look 30 years old." when they clearly were not. Saying stupid things like Cap touched the disk on the back of Namors neck when you can clearly see he didnt.

2. Is Newjak more intelligent than you because he got it at the very beginning.



3. As I mentioned ALREADY. In response to your post in KMC I wrote this.



So even after I made it absoultely clear your still saying that I made it look like Cap hits with a 100 tons of force. Well you know what this guy got it as well.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
That's the point. Cap doesn't hit with 100 ton damage. He doesn't need to, because his skill allows him to hit weak ponts with precision. That's how he's able to defeat super-strong foes. Not with force, but with precision.

It's like Muhammed Ali. He was the greatest boxer ever, not because he was the hardest-hitting (he wasn't), but because of his skill and technique.

It's funny because I said that exact same thing in the thread and several times. The point is that YOU aren't getting what YOU make Cap out to be indirectly. Your premise is that Cap can recreate the effect of what it would be like if another 100 tonner hit him, but not the strength or anything like that, just through sheer technique. But it's faulty. I already know how skilled fighters use pressure per square inch to maximize their blows. I AM a fighter. But still hitting with that force, or anywhere near it, is absurd. Even on living creatures. A skilled boxer hits with around 600 lbs per square inch. A skilled MA about 2200 lbs per square inch, neither of them can use all of their strength in that blow, and neither of them send people flying. I don't know why people bother posting this tripe. It's absurd. The reason I don't really cut loose on these posts is because I'm being nice. He can't hit beings with that same affect, not to the structural points or anything. He only did it because it's a comic with a PIS event. If that's the case then Batman is even more of a God.

Which is still in the same league. Just like indirectly arguing him taking hits from class 100 ton characters when he isn't even bulletproof. None of them are smarter than me, I just seem to get misinterpreted by people and then I have to water down my posts. I've even trained some of those posters.

[alfheim]

admin said:

It's funny because I said that exact same thing in the thread and several times.

So what are you trying to say, I dont listen? Instead of you owning up to your mistake your passing the buck.

admin said:

The point is that YOU aren't getting what YOU make Cap out to be indirectly.

Whatever.

admin said:

Your premise is that Cap can recreate the effect of what it would be like if another 100 tonner hit him, but not the strength or anything like that, just through sheer technique.

Well basically he should be able to KO some class 100s with skill ie Namor

admin said:

But it's faulty. I already know how skilled fighters use pressure per square inch to maximize their blows. I AM a fighter. But still hitting with that force, or anywhere near it, is absurd. Even on living creatures. A skilled boxer hits with around 600 lbs per square inch. A skilled MA about 2200 lbs per square inch, neither of them can use all of their strength in that blow, and neither of them send people flying.

Oh for God sake stop comparing yourself to MAs in the MU. You cant see bullets you cant run 60 miles per hour...gezzz. Rubbish.

admin said:

I don't know why people bother posting this tripe. It's absurd.

Wow. See above.

admin said:

The reason I don't really cut loose on these posts is because I'm being nice.

Keep telling yourself that.

admin said:

He can't hit beings with that same affect, not to the structural points or anything. He only did it because it's a comic with a PIS event. If that's the case then Batman is even more of a God.

Well this is a complete waste of time. If you dont agree with it its PIS. Batman cant sneak up on Sueprman despite thats what the rules say.

admin said:

Which is still in the same league. Just like indirectly arguing him taking hits from class 100 ton characters when he isn't even bulletproof.

Well conisdering hes been shot in the arm without kevlar and still used his arm like nothing happened and considering hes been shot in the head and survived that is bulletproof. You do know even if you wear a bulletproof vest you can still get hurt?

admin said:

None of them are smarter than me, I just seem to get misinterpreted by people and then I have to water down my posts. I've even trained some of those posters.

Wow must agree with everything you say then.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

alfheim said:

admin said:

So what are you trying to say, I dont listen? Instead of you owning up to your mistake your passing the buck.

My mistake which was that you made an absurd point and I don't agree with it? I like how you skipped what I said.

alfheim said:

admin said:

Well basically he should be able to KO some class 100s with skill ie Namor

No. Only in your world.

alfheim said:

admin said:

Oh for God sake stop comparing yourself to MAs in the MU. You cant see bullets you cant run 60 miles per hour...gezzz. Rubbish.

Amazing, now you are back to discarding real world evidence, when you just used it when it suited your "superhuman" argument yesterday.

This is exactly what I'm talking about, you're too biased towards Cap and you don't comprehend.

Cap seeing bullets in slow motion is utter garbage, many bullets move faster than the speed of sound.

And now Cap can run almost as fast as he chucks his shield? You really do supply all the ammo my friend.

[alfheim]

admin said:

alfheim said:

My mistake which was that you made an absurd point and I don't agree with it? I like how you skipped what I said.

alfheim said:

No. Only in your world.

alfheim said:

admin said:

Oh for God sake stop comparing yourself to MAs in the MU. You cant see bullets you cant run 60 miles per hour...gezzz. Rubbish.

Amazing, now you are back to discarding real world evidence, when you just used it when it suited your "superhuman" argument yesterday.

This is exactly what I'm talking about, you're too biased towards Cap and you don't comprehend.

Cap seeing bullets in slow motion is utter garbage, many bullets move faster than the speed of sound.

And now Cap can run almost as fast as he chucks his shield? You really do supply all the ammo my friend.

I could elaborate and explain but I see you just want to argue. Anyway im think im done.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

alfheim said:

admin said:

alfheim said:

My mistake which was that you made an absurd point and I don't agree with it? I like how you skipped what I said.

alfheim said:

No. Only in your world.

alfheim said:

Amazing, now you are back to discarding real world evidence, when you just used it when it suited your "superhuman" argument yesterday.

This is exactly what I'm talking about, you're too biased towards Cap and you don't comprehend.

Cap seeing bullets in slow motion is utter garbage, many bullets move faster than the speed of sound.

And now Cap can run almost as fast as he chucks his shield? You really do supply all the ammo my friend.

I could elaborate and explain but I see you just want to argue. Anyway im think im done.

That's fine. I tried to be civil but it got under your skin too fast, and no I don't want to argue. Just be consistent with what you say. No hard feelings on my side.

[kuwabara]

any one here know what berserker rage actaully does to logans stats? It pritty interesting what I have recovered

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

kuwabara said:

any one here know what berserker rage actaully does to logans stats? It pritty interesting what I have recovered

Something about him being as smart as 5 supercomputers or somesuch in addition to everything else?

[kuwabara]

admin said:

kuwabara said:

any one here know what berserker rage actaully does to logans stats? It pritty interesting what I have recovered

Something about him being as smart as 5 supercomputers or somesuch in addition to everything else?

yes but it does a lot more then just that.

it amps all his stats to max. When I mean max. It like if he took the thunder pill, but a lot of them.

[alfheim]

What wolverine gets super intellignet when he goes besrek now? Well Cap has fought Wolverine in beserk mode..yeah he lost...but if Wolverine in beserk mode was the equivalent of 5 thunder pills he Cap would have been killed almost straight away. Cap was actually able to restrain him at one point.

[kuwabara]

alfheim said:

What wolverine gets super intellignet when he goes besrek now? Well Cap has fought Wolverine in beserk mode..yeah he lost...but if Wolverine in beserk mode was the equivalent of 5 thunder pills he Cap would have been killed almost straight away. Cap was actually able to restrain him at one point.

did any one say he was supersmart? nope did not hear that any were now did I.

Capt would die horriably if logan went berserker, but see Logan was not berserker when he fought capt. Capt thinking wolverine berserker and wolverine being berserker are completely different things.

[alfheim]

kuwabara said:

did any one say he was supersmart? nope did not hear that any were now did I.

admin said:

Something about him being as smart as 5 supercomputers or somesuch in addition to everything else?

kuwabara said:

yes

Boy if 5 supercomputers are not supersmart I dont know what is and if you say yes to that statement thats you confirming it.

kuwabara said:

Capt would die horriably if logan went berserker, but see Logan was not berserker when he fought capt. Capt thinking wolverine berserker and wolverine being berserker are completely different things.

Theres no difference between the way Wolverine fought Cap and the way he fights when hes "truly" beserk they are identical.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

alfheim said:

kuwabara said:

did any one say he was supersmart? nope did not hear that any were now did I.

Boy if 5 supercomputers are not supersmart I dont know what is and if you say yes to that statement thats you confirming it.

kuwabara said:

Capt would die horriably if logan went berserker, but see Logan was not berserker when he fought capt. Capt thinking wolverine berserker and wolverine being berserker are completely different things.

Theres no difference between the way Wolverine fought Cap and the way he fights when hes "truly" beserk they are identical.

So you think it's bs.

[alfheim]

admin said:

So you think it's bs.[/quote]

Yeah because thats what they say but is there any proof? Cap was attacked by Wolverine with the mind of a werewolf but that doesnt count because apparently thats not him in a beserk mode.

The fact of the matter is that if we had scans of him going beserk on other people there would be no difference.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

alfheim said:

admin said:

So you think it's bs.

Yeah because thats what they say but is there any proof? Cap was attacked by Wolverine with the mind of a werewolf but that doesnt count because apparently thats not him in a beserk mode.

The fact of the matter is that if we had scans of him going beserk on other people there would be no difference.[/quote]Well there should be a consistency in what people accept. It shouldn't be accepting feats when they want and stats or bios later only when it suits them. It should be a objective discretion.

[alfheim]

admin said:

It shouldn't be accepting feats when they want and stats or bios later only when it suits them. It should be a objective discretion.

Yeah they should. If you are refering to me and the example im thinking of i'll show you how im not contradicting myself and i'll show you how you dont listen.

It would be a waste of time but I could at lest try.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

alfheim said:

admin said:

It shouldn't be accepting feats when they want and stats or bios later only when it suits them. It should be a objective discretion.

Yeah they should. If you are refering to me and the example im thinking of i'll show you how im not contradicting myself and i'll show you how you dont listen.

It would be a waste of time but I could at lest try.

I just mean in general, trust me. I need to fix this sad smilie... is it like that on all of them?

[alfheim]

admin said:

I just mean in general, trust me.

...ok sorry.

admin said:

I need to fix this sad smilie... is it like that on all of them?

The similies look fine to me.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

alfheim said:

admin said:

I just mean in general, trust me.

...ok sorry.

admin said:

I need to fix this sad smilie... is it like that on all of them?

The similies look fine to me.

I fixed them now. ;D

[violent2dope]

admin said:

kuwabara said:

there no true ones. like I mean all around peakhuman such as like agility strength reflex and so on.

So what's wrong with Kingpin?

Kinda slow to be a peak human IMO, tho in terms of strength he is peak. The only full peak human I know of is Captain America, he was made to be the greatest human physical specimen ever, there are humans who can match one thing of his, like his strength to lift 800 pounds, but not many(if any) that can match all.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

He has peak human strength, doesn't have to be necessarily everything else.

[violent2dope]

admin said:

He has peak human strength, doesn't have to be necessarily everything else.

Like I just said.