Peak Humans

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

kuwabara said:

admin said:

So that's the feat? I'm not surprised it was hyped up to be equivalent to what Spiderman was doing in the thread, that's shit. Spiderman dodged so many more lasers AND hit several people at once. Just proves why I can't take their word seriously anymore.

nothign was hyped. spiderman dodged 3 freakign lazer whoppy using his agility. wolverien did the same thing in that scanns using speed. conmparable easily. The only problem with it is the fact he does not demenstrate agility. However that was neevr the debate was it?

It demonstrated speed, and it was more than three lasers.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

kuwabara said:

admin said:

My god Capt give it a rest, your identity here isn't a secret and EVERYONE knows who you are. You coming and defending yourself at another forum doesn't help keep it secret either. I didn't say noone showed up, I said noone proved shit. You guys came on there and diverted the thread with the same fucking insulting and childish mind games instead of proving anything as always, it was the same hypocritial horseshit that I got tired of and I made the thread to give you the chance to have you prove what you say and stop looking so bad in front of the forum. And you looked bad, it was just you and him defending Wolverine in every thread with nothing but your ASSUMPTIONS of how he should be, I don't care about that crap anymore. I don't care how two rabid Wolverine supporters want Wolveine to be, I'm simply not accepting it anymore nor the forum. I wanted to know where this stuff happened, just like Magic Attack does now, and all I got was "it happenede here, I'll find it later". Then you either leave, or you come back and just sidetrack the debate (and/or Jinzin), with the same off-topic, Wolverine vs. Spiderman CRAP, that noone asked for. Seraphim made a thread and had a good point, but the mods feel sorry for you guys and close them because all it ends up as are two Wolverine fan... supporters looking bad, that's it. The forum looks at it as a joke.

My thread had a good point to it, and it got closed, mainly because of you. Think I'm lying? Everyone said the same thing and was pissed off at you because of your childish insults and antics. Which is why people hardly bother with the threads anymore, they know that Wolverine threads are just general stupidity and nutstroking.

I'll prove what I mean here:




Also Zahit has been reading Wolverine and Spiderman before you were born, he likes the oldschool version of Wolveine like I do, before he became this god with Nonsense, he just hates the fanboys (like I, whob), and others do. I'm just a bit nicer about that, but I'm not doing that anymore.


Then you have the same audacity to come here and insult people on *this* forum as a staff member? That's very uncalled for and is not stafflike. I wish for you to refrain from that here, as it makes it a unfriendly place. We are all adults and know better. Last time I checked *I* was the one doing all the inviting, and I invite whom I please.

If I am so bad why the fuck am I one of your mods. You know what I make it easy for you I resign. I will leave the forum because obviously me and jizin are jokes so I will no longer waste your time. Byee and peace out I still send the respect threads to you becuase I am making them any wyas.

I actually enjoy you as a mod here, but some of your antics aren't desirable. I'm not trying to be hard on you, but you do realize you were going to be banned right? I was trying to help you out. Jinzin isn't here though.

[Magic attack]

ize19 said:

shakezula said:

Almost forgot about this.


I am sorry to be the one to alert the media on this one, but they weren't unbreakable chains. They were unbreakable shackles.

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Dr. Lang mentions that "those chromalloy shackles are unbreakable".

Now, I have know idea what "chromalloy" is or what it is comprised of. I don't know what tests the doctor ran to determine that the shackles were indeed unbreakable. But clearly he was wrong, was it due to the doctor being slightly deranged... We may never know.

I agree that it is a feat of strength, to be able to break free (from even steel shackles giving him the benefit of the doubt) while having very little leverage, is impressive. But as far as breaking unbreakable shackles, the proof is in the scan.

Sorry, but it's actually stated that both the shackles AND the links are "guaranteed unbrakeable." Here's the scan:

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Sorry, but your scan is from issue #111, we are talking about issue #98.

[ize19]

shakezula said:

ize19 said:

Sorry, but it's actually stated that both the shackles AND the links are "guaranteed unbrakeable." Here's the scan:

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Sorry, but your scan is from issue #111, we are talking about issue #98.

Lol, my bad, still, it proves that he's done it, right?

[Magic attack]

ize19 said:

shakezula said:

Sorry, but your scan is from issue #111, we are talking about issue #98.

Lol, my bad, still, it proves that he's done it, right?

Yeah, twice now.

I guess we have to assume that the shackles are unbreakable to normal humans. Wolverine even in a fit of rage, which could possibly double or even triple his strength would leave him far below the likes of Hercules or Thor. I would assume that either Thor or Hercules would break those shackles as well.

The feats, being what they are, are still impressive though.


If anyone wants to analyze the feats further let me know. I don't know the actual strength required, but it should be beyond peak.

Those are definite pluses for Wolverine.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

I say peak, and enhanced with skeleton.

[imperium]

whats this?

[Magic attack]

We were having a discussion about various peak humans. The topic of Wolverine came up and whether or not he was/is peak human.

I asked for some of Wolverine's strength feats so that I could actually see them. No one ever came back with any. C eventually made a similar thread, dedicated strictly to Wolverine, over at KMC. Capt it up, previously known as Wolverine8888 on KMC or as Kuwabara on here, listed a feat of Wolverine dodging laser fire in a Wolverine issue #40. Jinzin listed a few as well. Eventually Capt it up flew off the handle and got C's thread closed. I posted the scans from the comic that Capt it up had listed. There were absolutely no images even resembling what he was trying to portray. When I questioned him about it, he claimed that I had the wrong issue #40.

kuwabara said:

you were not lied to you just have the wrong issue 40. Your issue 40 is from a newer time period. The other issue 40 is from earlier. or did you think there one only one issue 40 lol

so don't assume he was lying when you simply have the wrong issue.
the issue he was talking about is from the Wolverine in Black Shadow! White Shadow! arch issue 40 lol.

Once he revealed the story line, I figured out his error. He actually meant Marvel Comics Presents #40. The reason I have the wrong issue is because the self-proclaimed expert on Wolverine didn't know as much as he thought he did.


Kuwabara, being a mod at the time, was also bashing a new member. I felt that was a bit childish and so I claimed stuff that happens on other forums should have no bearing on this forum. Then he tried back-tracking a bit on what he said, and tried to play it off as me not understanding. While I actually understood perfectly- he was trying to lie his way out of it again.

C got on Kuwabara a bit for the stuff that I just mentioned. After all that, Kuwabara got upset, resigned his mod powers and left the forum.

So in short, I have come to the conclusion that Kuwabara, Capt it up, Wolverine8888 is either a liar or just can't admit when he makes a mistake... or both. I won't have any future dealings with him, nor take anything he says seriously. His knowledge seems to be vastly over-rated.



If anyone feels that I made any mistake in that, please feel free to correct me. C?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

shakezula said:

We were having a discussion about various peak humans. The topic of Wolverine came up and whether or not he was/is peak human.

I asked for some of Wolverine's strength feats so that I could actually see them. No one ever came back with any. C eventually made a similar thread, dedicated strictly to Wolverine, over at KMC. Capt it up, previously known as Wolverine8888 on KMC or as Kuwabara on here, listed a feat of Wolverine dodging laser fire in a Wolverine issue #40. Jinzin listed a few as well. Eventually Capt it up flew off the handle and got C's thread closed. I posted the scans from the comic that Capt it up had listed. There were absolutely no images even resembling what he was trying to portray. When I questioned him about it, he claimed that I had the wrong issue #40.

kuwabara said:

you were not lied to you just have the wrong issue 40. Your issue 40 is from a newer time period. The other issue 40 is from earlier. or did you think there one only one issue 40 lol

so don't assume he was lying when you simply have the wrong issue.
the issue he was talking about is from the Wolverine in Black Shadow! White Shadow! arch issue 40 lol.

Once he revealed the story line, I figured out his error. He actually meant Marvel Comics Presents #40. The reason I have the wrong issue is because the self-proclaimed expert on Wolverine didn't know as much as he thought he did.


Kuwabara, being a mod at the time, was also bashing a new member. I felt that was a bit childish and so I claimed stuff that happens on other forums should have no bearing on this forum. Then he tried back-tracking a bit on what he said, and tried to play it off as me not understanding. While I actually understood perfectly- he was trying to lie his way out of it again.

C got on Kuwabara a bit for the stuff that I just mentioned. After all that, Kuwabara got upset, resigned his mod powers and left the forum.

So in short, I have come to the conclusion that Kuwabara, Capt it up, Wolverine8888 is either a liar or just can't admit when he makes a mistake... or both. I won't have any future dealings with him, nor take anything he says seriously. His knowledge seems to be vastly over-rated.



If anyone feels that I made any mistake in that, please feel free to correct me. C?

I feel you have every right to that decision and it is a mature decision if you don't want the wars to continue. I share many similar thoughts on many of these issues. I'm dissappointed to be lied to as such, and I don't really trust much said from the two either. You were patient, humble, and honest. You did what you could.

[alfheim]

If Kuwbara is capt it up I wouldnt be suprised....so capt up became a mod on this forum .....

[Magic attack]

Kuwabara was made a mod because he is C's s friend. C felt that Kuwabara was honest, had decent comic knowledge and could show impartiality towards fellow members. Unfortunately that wasn't the case as displayed in this very thread.

[alfheim]

shakezula said:

Kuwabara was made a mod because he is C's s friend. C felt that Kuwabara was honest, had decent comic knowledge and could show impartiality towards fellow members. Unfortunately that wasn't the case as displayed in this very thread.

Yeah

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

shakezula said:

Kuwabara was made a mod because he is C's s friend. C felt that Kuwabara was honest, had decent comic knowledge and could show impartiality towards fellow members. Unfortunately that wasn't the case as displayed in this very thread.

And he was a bit reliable and he was posting alot.

[Magic attack]

admin said:

shakezula said:

Kuwabara was made a mod because he is C's s friend. C felt that Kuwabara was honest, had decent comic knowledge and could show impartiality towards fellow members. Unfortunately that wasn't the case as displayed in this very thread.

And he was a bit reliable and he was posting alot.

And I am sure that he was a snappy dresser too.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

shakezula said:

admin said:

And he was a bit reliable and he was posting alot.

And I am sure that he was a snappy dresser too.

He was da man...

[kuwabara]

I asked for some of Wolverine's strength feats so that I could actually see them. No one ever came back with any. C eventually made a similar thread, dedicated strictly to Wolverine, over at KMC. Capt it up, previously known as Wolverine8888 on KMC or as Kuwabara on here, listed a feat of Wolverine dodging laser fire in a Wolverine issue #40. Jinzin listed a few as well. Eventually Capt it up flew off the handle and got C's thread closed. I posted the scans from the comic that Capt it up had listed. There were absolutely no images even resembling what he was trying to portray. When I questioned him about it, he claimed that I had the wrong issue #40.

I already apologized for that, but I will do so again I am sorry I got little mad and flew off the handle I have reasons, but honestly there no point I should not have done that.

Once he revealed the story line, I figured out his error. He actually meant Marvel Comics Presents #40. The reason I have the wrong issue is because the self-proclaimed expert on Wolverine didn't know as much as he thought he did. .

I have never to my knowledge proclaimed my self as an expert, though I may have I don’t recall doing so. Also it was Marvel Comics Presents Wolverine # 40. So you can see were Wolverine 40 could come from.

Kuwabara, being a mod at the time, was also bashing a new member. I felt that was a bit childish and so I claimed stuff that happens on other forums should have no bearing on this forum. Then he tried back-tracking a bit on what he said, and tried to play it off as me not understanding. While I actually understood perfectly- he was trying to lie his way out of it again. .

I was not trying to lie my way out of it. Any ways I apologize for what I have said. I have no excuse I was a mod and should not have said such a thing. If you like I even personally PM the member though he does no belong on this forum I do not think at least.

C got on Kuwabara a bit for the stuff that I just mentioned. After all that, Kuwabara got upset, resigned his mod powers and left the forum. .

I resigned as Mod, because I honestly do not deserve to be a mod. I am mediocre debater. I do not feel I deserve my reasonability’s, not to mention how time consuming my classes were and still are.

If anyone feels that I made any mistake in that, please feel free to correct me. C?

Nope you were right on the money for the most part.


I will have the respect threads finished when I can C-master. I have been getting thrashed with school papers and tests so I have not had the time to go through my spiderman collection.

I have a list of wolverine strength feats however if any one wants me to post them feel free. I made sure there are no incorrect titles in them as well.

[Magic attack]

kuwabara said:

I already apologized for that, but I will do so again I am sorry I got little mad and flew off the handle I have reasons, but honestly there no point I should not have done that.

I didn't see you apologize anywhere, I must have missed it. I was a little pissed that you made it seem like I had made the mistake. So I apologize for blasting you about it.

I have never to my knowledge proclaimed my self as an expert, though I may have I don’t recall doing so. Also it was Marvel Comics Presents Wolverine # 40. So you can see were Wolverine 40 could come from.

I knew that was the mistake. Wolverine is in bright letters, after you told me the plot I knew the comic that you were referring to. It was a simple mistake that was easy to make.

I was not trying to lie my way out of it. Any ways I apologize for what I have said. I have no excuse I was a mod and should not have said such a thing. If you like I even personally PM the member though he does no belong on this forum I do not think at least.

I didn't know that, so I apologize for that.

I resigned as Mod, because I honestly do not deserve to be a mod. I am mediocre debater. I do not feel I deserve my reasonability’s, not to mention how time consuming my classes were and still are.

I understand that you aren't the best debater, and sometimes your spelling and wording can be a little off. But I will say that you are knowledgeable about animals. You know a fair amount about Forgotten Realms, Dragonlance, Star Wars and Marvel. The debating will come as you get bettor, as you have improved already.

As far as being a mod, that is up to you and C. But I don't think you should step down, especially in light of the post you just made, unless there is just way to much on your plate at the moment.

Nope you were right on the money for the most part.

I have to give you much respect for that. You are alright in my book.

I will have the respect threads finished when I can C-master. I have been getting thrashed with school papers and tests so I have not had the time to go through my spiderman collection.

I have a list of wolverine strength feats however if any one wants me to post them feel free. I made sure there are no incorrect titles in them as well.

If you post the issues of comics, I will post the scans for you. I have most all of Wolverine's showings in comics. If I don't have it, I can get it.

[kuwabara]

I didn't see you apologize anywhere, I must have missed it. I was a little pissed that you made it seem like I had made the mistake. So I apologize for blasting you about it.

No need to apologize I was at fault.

I knew that was the mistake. Wolverine is in bright letters, after you told me the plot I knew the comic that you were referring to. It was a simple mistake that was easy to make.

Ya some times I forget that marvel presents and wolverine comics are to different runs.

I understand that you aren't the best debater, and sometimes your spelling and wording can be a little off. But I will say that you are knowledgeable about animals. You know a fair amount about Forgotten Realms, Dragonlance, Star Wars and Marvel. The debating will come as you get bettor, as you have improved already.

As far as being a mod, that is up to you and C. But I don't think you should step down, especially in light of the post you just made, unless there is just way to much on your plate at the moment.

Thank you. It up to c-master though there are likely people more qualified then me, so I for one think that if c-master knows some one with superior knowledge on animals then my self that he should have them be mod over my self in the animal section.

I have to give you much respect for that. You are alright in my book.

Thanks you are a good guy and that means a lot to me.

If you post the issues of comics, I will post the scans for you. I have most all of Wolverine's showings in comics. If I don't have it, I can get it.

Thanks. I will post the issues later when I have a little more time on my hands.

[Magic attack]

kuwabara said:

No need to apologize I was at fault.

Now that I think about it I am going to blame C-master.

Ya some times I forget that marvel presents and wolverine comics are to different runs.

It's all good. Water under the bridge now.

Thank you. It up to c-master though there are likely people more qualified then me, so I for one think that if c-master knows some one with superior knowledge on animals then my self that he should have them be mod over my self in the animal section.

That will be hard. lol

Thanks you are a good guy and that means a lot to me.

Thanks. I will post the issues later when I have a little more time on my hands.

Ok.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

It's a kodak moment... two guys getting along and blaming the black man, lol.

[warmunger]

Batman is a peak human.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

warmunger said:

Batman is a peak human.

Good call, he is...

[kuwabara]

shakezula said:

kuwabara said:

No need to apologize I was at fault.

Now that I think about it I am going to blame C-master.





It's all good. Water under the bridge now.






That will be hard. lol

Thanks. I will post the issues later when I have a little more time on my hands.

Ok.

LOL it always fun to blame c-master.

Thanks.


here are some of the feats of strength by wolverine. I will get more later. I am only done with a few volumes so far.

Hulk ultimate guide also states wolverine with superhuman strength.
(THE SHOW DOWN OF THE CENTURY DC VERSUS MARVEL COMICS) also states wolverine with superhuman strength.
“The Marvel Universe Master Edition Issue 4 clearly states that Wolverine's strength is enhanced human.” Quote from wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wolverine_(comics)/Archive_2

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Wolverines old stats.
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Wolverine throwing a 1,600 pound full trash container with one arm.
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Wolverine punching a guy who says he his brother in water so hard he slams into the wall and his head goes through it.
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“Marvel Comics Presents Wolverine” issue 38: Wolverine kicks a massive rock with enough force and accuracy to nail two criminals that are fleeing.

“Marvel Comics Presents Wolverine” issue 38: Wolverine punches one criminal attacking a police officer and sends him along with his two partners flying.


“Marvel Comics Presents Wolverine” issue 41: Wolverine lifting a shark that weights between 1000 to 1200 pounds and throwing it in a boat from the water.
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“Marvel Comics Presents Wolverine” issue 44: Wolverine runs through a wall of stones with out halt. The he kicks a rather large stone at this huge black shadow beast of sorts

“Marvel Comics Presents Wolverine” issue 44: Wolverine runs through a wall of stones with out halt. The he kicks a rather large stone at this huge black shadow beast of sorts

“Marvel Comics Presents Wolverine” issue 45: Wolverine pick up a huge tree looking thing like a base ball bat and hitting a creature of pure energy.
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“Marvel Comics Presents Wolverine” issue 46: Wolverine flings 3 smaller shadow creatures off of him and into the air. The creatures were quite strong.


Death wolverine smashing through a solid door of titanium that’s also being held back by x-man.
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In (New X-men 115) Cassandra Nova has wolverine Cyclopes and pig faced guy chained up and wolverine easily breaks his chains using just strength and hits Cassandra nova.

In ( wolverine 28 agent of shield part 3) wolverine allows him self to be captured. Wolverine arms leg and neck are locked in this metal devices to hold wolverine but as soon as the sentinel attacks wolverine easily breaks it using pure strength.

In (Black Panther #9) a huge dragon mutant creature is flying holding black panther and wolverine stabs the creature in the tail and then swings the creature the opposite way while the creature is hold black panther.

In ( x-men # 7) wolverine who is haft dead and drugged breaks out of metal holding designed to hold him, using nothing but pure strength.

In ( x-men # 98) which is the 6th issue of x-men that wolverine was ever in. wolverine breaks holding of what were said to be unbreakable using just his strength because some guy this jean.

[alfheim]

Oh yeah this is Cap curling 500lbs

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Beast also tries to catch Cap because he thought he was going to have ann accident but Cap is too fast. Cap is not under duress and curls 500lbs after doing Gymnastics. Thats superhuman strength.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

alfheim said:

Oh yeah this is Cap curling 500lbs

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Beast also tries to catch Cap because he thought he was going to have ann accident but Cap is too fast. Cap is not under duress and curls 500lbs after doing Gymnastics. Thats superhuman strength.

It even says he doesn't have super strength and he's tired. Which is why he has to try harder.

DD used a 200 lb bo staff before. That's crazy.

[alfheim]

Yeah but thats contradicted by the fact that he starts to do 500lbs bicep curls after doing Gymanstics. So his actions contradict his words.

If peak human means 1 ton strength then thats fine by me, but peak human is benching 1000lbs according to Marvel. Doing 500Lbs curls suggest superhuman strength because alot of people cant even bench that.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

alfheim said:

Yeah but thats contradicted by the fact that he starts to do 500lbs bicep curls after doing Gymanstics. So his actions contradict his words.

If peak human means 1 ton strength then thats fine by me, but peak human is benching 1000lbs according to Marvel. Doing 500Lbs curls suggest superhuman strength because alot of people cant even bench that.

It doesn't say that at all, the world record itself is 1,000 lbs. So it isn't impossible.

And you already said before that humans in comics were stronger than humans in the real world by a degree. If you remember that (Cap isn't an Olympic athlete argument).

[alfheim]

admin said:

It doesn't say that at all, the world record itself is 1,000 lbs.

Bro you need to logical deducation. It doesnt have to say anything with further analysis you can deduce this. 1000lbs is for benchpressing, people can curl much less than they can bench. The world record for curls is 425lbs and I think it was one rep. Cap is doing curls with 500lbs after he is tired. Which means he could probably do reps with 600lbs starting fresh.

Also the person who benched 1000Lbs was using a benchshirt and only did ONE rep. Cap was doing rep(S) with 1100 without a benchshirt. All that implies that Cap shoudl be able to do one rep of 1 ton even not under duress.

admin said:

So it isn't impossible.

See above

admin said:

And you already said before that humans in comics were stronger than humans in the real world by a degree. If you remember that (Cap isn't an Olympic athlete argument).

Yeah I said IF you think peak human is lifting 1 ton fine, but thats not what Marvel think , they think that peak human is 1000lbs as far as I know.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

alfheim said:

admin said:

It doesn't say that at all, the world record itself is 1,000 lbs.

Bro you need to logical deducation. It doesnt have to say anything with further analysis you can deduce this. 1000lbs is for benchpressing, people can curl much less than they can bench. The world record for curls is 425lbs and I think it was one rep. Cap is doing curls with 500lbs after he is tired. Which means he could probably do reps with 600lbs starting fresh.

Also the person who benched 1000Lbs was using a benchshirt and only did ONE rep. Cap was doing rep(S) with 1100 without a benchshirt. All that implies that Cap shoudl be able to do one rep of 1 ton even not under duress.



See above

admin said:

And you already said before that humans in comics were stronger than humans in the real world by a degree. If you remember that (Cap isn't an Olympic athlete argument).

Yeah I said IF you think peak human is lifting 1 ton fine, but thats not what Marvel think , they think that peak human is 1000lbs as far as I know.

The world record for both is higher now... evenlittle bit higher doesn't make a superhuman, that's a peak range. Enhanced range is even higher. Just because you go a small amount doesn't make it superhuman. Cap doesn't even get exausted easily due to SSS.

But your logical deduction is faulty because you are using examples that please you even when the majority points to the contrary, your conclusion goes against stated fact but yet you hold onto it. It's fallacy of exclusion AND slothful deduction. I know because I am in grad level debating class.

[alfheim]

admin said:

The world record for both is higher now... evenlittle bit higher doesn't make a superhuman,

Well let me guess they still only bench around a 1000lbs nd they were still using benchshirts. How many reps did they do of a 1000lbs , my point is simple if they can only do one rep and Cap can do alot more with one rep he can do a superhuman amount

admin said:

evenlittle bit higher doesn't make a superhuman,
that's a peak range. Enhanced range is even higher. Just because you go a small amount doesn't make it superhuman. Cap doesn't even get exausted easily due to SSS.

Yeah it does because if peak human is around a 1000lbs and somebody can do much more than that hes superhuman.

www.musclenet.com/1repmaxcalculator.htm

1100 x10 = 1394lbs one rep that is till superhuman. Remember Cap did Gymnastics after so doing 10 of 1100 didnt even make him tired sos he could do more.

admin said:

But your logical deduction is faulty because you are using examples that please you even when the majority points to the contrary, your conclusion goes against stated fact but yet you hold onto it. It's fallacy of exclusion AND slothful deduction. I know because I am in grad level debating class.

I dont take it serioulsy because Namor has been classified as being in 85 tons range but you dont have a problem with that. If you were consistent iot would help.