Peak Humans

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

shakezula said:

admin said:

It's 800 pounds if I remember. Handbooks tend to be inaccurate, but it's not always their fault that the writers do what they want with the characters, esp. with guys that get popular out of nowhere. Some are rather accurate like Spiderman, but he isn't thrown in a publicity stunt every two months.

You have to know what to look for in these bio's. In Rogue's handbook entry for X-Men(2004), it lists-

Strength Level- Rogue possesses the normal human strength level of a woman her age, height and build who engages in intensive regular excercise.


Now that is fine, I find nothing wrong with that. But the chart has her listed as a level 6 in strength. So a woman that partakes in regular intensive excercise has level 6 strength. lol

More or less, it's obvious which ones are correct and which ones are vague. ;D

[kuwabara]

admin said:

shakezula said:

Just so everyone knows, the actual quote in Wolverine's Handbook is listed as-

"The reinforcement of his skeleton enables Wolverine to withstand high levels of physical pressure, giving his muscles sufficient force to briefly lift/press several hundred pounds."

Interpret that as you will.


Unfortunately the handbooks are always wrong in one aspect or another. I would think that Marvel should be able to write a correct handbook about its own creations.

It's 800 pounds if I remember. Handbooks tend to be inaccurate, but it's not always their fault that the writers do what they want with the characters, esp. with guys that get popular out of nowhere. Some are rather accurate like Spiderman, but he isn't thrown in a publicity stunt every two months.

No it was never stated at 800 pounds that a mith that kmc came up with. His feats have always put him over 1 ton and into the 2 ton range.

[kuwabara]

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What you mean dont give me that crap. He wasnt even breathing heavily. If you look at what happened straight afterwards he went and did some gymnastics. So what your telling me is that if 1100llbs is a great strain to somebody they will be able to do gymnastics afterwards.

Yes that’s what I am saying. I have benched my max ounce and then went out and did sit ups. Capt whole persona is to act as if nothing bother him. That was his max and he has never ounce done any thing over that.

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No im sorry I dont think he is peak human regardless of what the bios say.

To bad he is and has been stated as such in comics.

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Cap has also been descrbed as enhanced human. His feats are closer to enhanced than peak. .

No he has not. His feats are not closer to enhanced human they are closer to peakhuman

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Sweet to bad every single person in that book was called enchanced human even falcon. It simply met beyond normal human. Hell even iron man was listed as an enhanced human. Ya using that a bad idea when the person owns it.
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Yes he does......sheeesshh. Your talking out of pure ignorance. Pulling a door off a steel tractor for one.

Ignorance? I read capt regularly I seen that feat and it not impressive. Logan broken unbreakable chains and capt clearly not in logan strength class. Capt peakhuman is best lifting feat is 1,100 pounds ounce and has never did another feat equal to that.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

kuwabara said:

admin said:

It's 800 pounds if I remember. Handbooks tend to be inaccurate, but it's not always their fault that the writers do what they want with the characters, esp. with guys that get popular out of nowhere. Some are rather accurate like Spiderman, but he isn't thrown in a publicity stunt every two months.

No it was never stated at 800 pounds that a mith that kmc came up with. His feats have always put him over 1 ton and into the 2 ton range.

There has been a listing at 800 pounds, and Magic just put one up at several hundred. *Some* of his feats have that listing, but certainly not all.

[alfheim]

kuwabara said:

Yes that’s what I am saying. I have benched my max ounce and then went out and did sit ups. Capt whole persona is to act as if nothing bother him. [/quote]

So let me get this straight. You lifted your max and then striaght afterwards you went and did an exercise which was for the stomache and not for the arms? So you want to compâre sit ups to gymnastics. Bench your maximum and when you can do complex gymnastics afterwards come and talk to me.

kuwabara said:

That was his max and he has never ounce done any thing over that.[/quote]

I already told you that he pulled a steel door off a steel tractor and used it as a shield.

kuwabara said:

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No he has not. His feats are not closer to enhanced human they are closer to peakhuman

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kuwabara said:

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Sweet to bad every single person in that book was called enchanced human even falcon. It simply met beyond normal human. Hell even iron man was listed as an enhanced human. Ya using that a bad idea when the person owns it.[/quote]

No they are not DD and the Punisher were descrbed as below enhanced human. You had better show me were it says Falcon is enhanced human because I suspect you dont know what your talking about. If Ironman is descibed as enhanced human thats because of his armour.....use some common sense.
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kuwabara said:

Ignorance? I read capt regularly I seen that feat and it not impressive. Logan broken unbreakable chains and capt clearly not in logan strength class. Capt peakhuman is best lifting feat is 1,100 pounds ounce and has never did another feat equal to that.
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Well you must be blind then read a cap comic. If you cant do that then go to the herochat captain capability thread. I mean even one of my crummy scans shows cap in the 1 to 2 ton range.

admin said:

kuwabara said:

No it was never stated at 800 pounds that a mith that kmc came up with. His feats have always put him over 1 ton and into the 2 ton range.

There has been a listing at 800 pounds, and Magic just put one up at several hundred. *Some* of his feats have that listing, but certainly not all.

So how did you feel when people kept on showing Spidermans low showings? Cap has consistently been shown to be in the 1 to 2 ton range

[alfheim]

C master is this what you're talking about?

www.pumpedvideo.com/2006/10/19/scott-mendelson-the-man-who-beat-gene-rychlak/

This guy lifted 1005lbs on his first go. Cap was lfting 1100lbs and probably did more than one rep and did Gymnastica afterwards.

If you look at this video they are actually helping him partially, he is also wearing a benchshirt. I doubt that he could do something like gymnastica afterwards.

So lets recap:

Cap had no assistance
Cap was not wearing a benchshirt
Scott did 1005lbs on his first go.
Cap must likely kept on lifting 1100lbs more than once
Did Gymnastics straight afterwards. Oh yeah Cap does not show weakness but hes not a show off either.
Cap has superhuman strength. His maximum weigth on one lift could be a ton even if its not it wont be far off and would be low level superhuman.

[kuwabara]

admin said:

kuwabara said:

No it was never stated at 800 pounds that a mith that kmc came up with. His feats have always put him over 1 ton and into the 2 ton range.

There has been a listing at 800 pounds, and Magic just put one up at several hundred. *Some* of his feats have that listing, but certainly not all.

no there has not actaully. Magic source also states logan as a level 4 which is superhuman strength.

not to mention countless other sources that say super human strength and lsit logan in the range that puts him well over 800 pounds. As his feats agree with.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

So how did you feel when people kept on showing Spidermans low showings? Cap has consistently been shown to be in the 1 to 2 ton range

Low showings and things like strength are totally different. I don't even use Spiderman's highest showings, or else he'd be in the 70 ton range. His average is still that amount, despite the high feats that you and Kuwabara keep using.

no there has not actaully. Magic source also states logan as a level 4 which is superhuman strength.

And a level four is broad and starts at 800 lbs, Cap is at level 3. Levels aren't actual lifting number.

not to mention countless other sources that say super human strength and lsit logan in the range that puts him well over 800 pounds. As his feats agree with.

I have not seen one source to date that says Logan is in the superhuman strength range, because there is none, he has feats, and he can do certain superhuman limits. But he isn't in Spiderman's range of Superhuman, he's more enhanced.

[kuwabara]

admin said:

So how did you feel when people kept on showing Spidermans low showings? Cap has consistently been shown to be in the 1 to 2 ton range

Low showings and things like strength are totally different. I don't even use Spiderman's highest showings, or else he'd be in the 70 ton range. His average is still that amount, despite the high feats that you and Kuwabara keep using.


And a level four is broad and starts at 800 lbs, Cap is at level 3. Levels aren't actual lifting number.

not to mention countless other sources that say super human strength and lsit logan in the range that puts him well over 800 pounds. As his feats agree with.

I have not seen one source to date that says Logan is in the superhuman strength range, because there is none, he has feats, and he can do certain superhuman limits. But he isn't in Spiderman's range of Superhuman, he's more enhanced.

yet I shown you sources in which he was stated as superhuman. No one said he was spiderman level, but you don't ahve to be to be stated as superhuman. Wolverine not peakhuman it a fact he never been satted as peakhuman. Logan has been stated as superhuman. He a two tonner. he has never to date failed to lift any thing. The only time he even pushed his limit was the elevator feat. He has never really strained well committing strength feats. Also before you say it due to his popularity you should know before the first hand book came out on logan he was doing feats that were over a ton of strength and in the 2 ton range.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

kuwabara said:

admin said:

Low showings and things like strength are totally different. I don't even use Spiderman's highest showings, or else he'd be in the 70 ton range. His average is still that amount, despite the high feats that you and Kuwabara keep using.


And a level four is broad and starts at 800 lbs, Cap is at level 3. Levels aren't actual lifting number.

I have not seen one source to date that says Logan is in the superhuman strength range, because there is none, he has feats, and he can do certain superhuman limits. But he isn't in Spiderman's range of Superhuman, he's more enhanced.

yet I shown you sources in which he was stated as superhuman. No one said he was spiderman level, but you don't ahve to be to be stated as superhuman. Wolverine not peakhuman it a fact he never been satted as peakhuman. Logan has been stated as superhuman. He a two tonner. he has never to date failed to lift any thing. The only time he even pushed his limit was the elevator feat. He has never really strained well committing strength feats. Also before you say it due to his popularity you should know before the first hand book came out on logan he was doing feats that were over a ton of strength and in the 2 ton range.

You have never shown me sources stating him as superhuman, it was all stuff the Wolverine supporters said, if anyone has something that says he's superhuman, feel free to show it.

[Magic attack]

Seeing as no one is actually producing proof. I will try and post some. I will post a set of three Bio's- Captain America, Spider-Man, and Wolverine. There is a reason for all three as you will see. These bio's are from the 1990 handbooks.


Captain America

Spider-Man

Wolverine


Now as everyone looks at the 3 bios, we can see that there are 3 different terms used for each characters strength level. Captain is Peak Human, I dont think anyone is arguing this so I will move one.

Spidey has a listing of Superhuman. Again, I dont think anyone is arguing this so I will move on again.

Now if we look at Wolverine's bio, we can see a third listing- Enhanced Human.

Now we know that they do use Superhuman as a level of strength, but they must have felt that Wolverine did not have that type of strength. Enhanced falls somewhere inbetween the two other listings. The correct term for Wolverine's strength, at that time, was Enhanced and not Superhuman. The two terms are not-interchangeable.

I will move on to the next set in a little bit.

[Magic attack]

These bios are from the 1983 set of handbooks. To my knowledge these were the original handbooks.

Captain America

Spider-Man

Wolverine

Now the bios are a bit wordy, but since we are really only interested in strength I will post each here.

'Captain America has athletic ability, strength, speed and endurance superior to any Olympic athlete who ever competed.' ' He is able to lift (press) 800 pounds with great effort.'

'Spider-Man possesses superhuman strength, reflexes and equilibrium' 'Spider-Man's musculature has been augmented so that he can lift (press) about 10 tons.'


'Wolverine has great strength for a man of his size, although it does not reach superhuman levels. He can lift (press) at least 500 punds.'

Those are the actual lines from each characters bio. I will try and find the next set.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

shakezula said:

These bios are from the 1983 set of handbooks. To my knowledge these were the original handbooks.

Captain America

Spider-Man

Wolverine

Now the bios are a bit wordy, but since we are really only interested in strength I will post each here.

'Captain America has athletic ability, strength, speed and endurance superior to any Olympic athlete who ever competed.' ' He is able to lift (press) 800 pounds with great effort.'

'Spider-Man possesses superhuman strength, reflexes and equilibrium' 'Spider-Man's musculature has been augmented so that he can lift (press) about 10 tons.'


'Wolverine has great strength for a man of his size, although it does not reach superhuman levels. He can lift (press) at least 500 punds.'

Those are the actual lines from each characters bio. I will try and find the next set.

Wolverine has been listed as peak human in several sources, or lower. Even Jinzin posted one.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

shakezula said:

Seeing as no one is actually producing proof. I will try and post some. I will post a set of three Bio's- Captain America, Spider-Man, and Wolverine. There is a reason for all three as you will see. These bio's are from the 1990 handbooks.


Captain America

Spider-Man

Wolverine


Now as everyone looks at the 3 bios, we can see that there are 3 different terms used for each characters strength level. Captain is Peak Human, I dont think anyone is arguing this so I will move one.

Spidey has a listing of Superhuman. Again, I dont think anyone is arguing this so I will move on again.

Now if we look at Wolverine's bio, we can see a third listing- Enhanced Human.

Now we know that they do use Superhuman as a level of strength, but they must have felt that Wolverine did not have that type of strength. Enhanced falls somewhere inbetween the two other listings. The correct term for Wolverine's strength, at that time, was Enhanced and not Superhuman. The two terms are not-interchangeable.

I will move on to the next set in a little bit.

Peak is the best a human can be, Enhanced is beyond that with enhancement (i.e skeleton), Superhuman is far beyond that.

[kuwabara]

Marvel hand book 2002-2003 master edition Logan as enchanced human which means beyond human limits

Marvel knights encyclopedia 2003 list Logan as enhanced human means beyond human limits.

Official Wolverine hand book of the marvel universe states logan as a level 4 which is superhuman strength

Marvel comics presents Wolverine volume 2 states logan in human strength

Hulk ultimate guide also states wolverine with superhuman strength.

(THE SHOW DOWN OF THE CENTURY DC VERSUS MARVEL COMICS) also states wolverine with superhuman strength.


“The Marvel Universe Master Edition Issue 4 clearly states Logan with enhanced human strength.



Enchanced human is beyond human strength which means superhuman. Lgoans a two tonner which I stated numerous times.



Logan has never ounce been stated peakhuman. He was stated lower then such in the first hand book which was revised due to how inaccurate all the characters bios and stats were.

[kuwabara]

admin said:

shakezula said:

Seeing as no one is actually producing proof. I will try and post some. I will post a set of three Bio's- Captain America, Spider-Man, and Wolverine. There is a reason for all three as you will see. These bio's are from the 1990 handbooks.


Captain America

Spider-Man

Wolverine


Now as everyone looks at the 3 bios, we can see that there are 3 different terms used for each characters strength level. Captain is Peak Human, I dont think anyone is arguing this so I will move one.

Spidey has a listing of Superhuman. Again, I dont think anyone is arguing this so I will move on again.

Now if we look at Wolverine's bio, we can see a third listing- Enhanced Human.

Now we know that they do use Superhuman as a level of strength, but they must have felt that Wolverine did not have that type of strength. Enhanced falls somewhere inbetween the two other listings. The correct term for Wolverine's strength, at that time, was Enhanced and not Superhuman. The two terms are not-interchangeable.

I will move on to the next set in a little bit.

Peak is the best a human can be, Enhanced is beyond that with enhancement (i.e skeleton), Superhuman is far beyond that.

it not his skeleton that does it. It all explained in the weapon x noval. It was weapon x program that did it by chemeically strengthening his muscles. It also is increased further due to his healing factor

[Magic attack]

img168.imageshack.us/img168/4236/page039kd8.jpg

^ Here is the X-Men 2004 bio entry. ^

'Wolverine possesses the normal human strength of a man of his apparent age, height, and build who engages in intensive regular exercise.'

He is shown to be a level 4 character in strength. If we look at what that actually means in terms of numbers-

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level 4 strength- 'Superhuman: 800 lbs.-25 ton range'


We can see that 800 lbs. is the lower end of Superhuman.



Here is the scan of Wolverine's bio in his handbook 2004

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That is the entry that stated him being able to lift about several hundred pounds. And he is a level 4 there.



If someone has proof either way, please, present it.

[alfheim]

Kuwbara you didnt adresss my points. Cmaster you didnt adress my points on the power lifting.
Magic attack bios can be inaccurate frequently have you got the most recent one?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

kuwabara said:

Marvel hand book 2002-2003 master edition Logan as enchanced human which means beyond human limits

Marvel knights encyclopedia 2003 list Logan as enhanced human means beyond human limits.

Official Wolverine hand book of the marvel universe states logan as a level 4 which is superhuman strength

Marvel comics presents Wolverine volume 2 states logan in human strength

Hulk ultimate guide also states wolverine with superhuman strength.

(THE SHOW DOWN OF THE CENTURY DC VERSUS MARVEL COMICS) also states wolverine with superhuman strength.


“The Marvel Universe Master Edition Issue 4 clearly states Logan with enhanced human strength.



Enchanced human is beyond human strength which means superhuman. Lgoans a two tonner which I stated numerous times.



Logan has never ounce been stated peakhuman. He was stated lower then such in the first hand book which was revised due to how inaccurate all the characters bios and stats were.

Can you post the wording from the guides, and not a hulk Guide. Enhanced is not Superhuman, it never was. Stat 4 starts off at 800 lbs. No different than T'Challa. Why are there only two people that don't see the differences between the two terms having characters that are peakhuman?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

kuwabara said:

admin said:

Peak is the best a human can be, Enhanced is beyond that with enhancement (i.e skeleton), Superhuman is far beyond that.

it not his skeleton that does it. It all explained in the weapon x noval. It was weapon x program that did it by chemeically strengthening his muscles. It also is increased further due to his healing factor

Well the whole program enhances him, making him "enhanced" human.

Easy as pie.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

shakezula said:

img168.imageshack.us/img168/4236/page039kd8.jpg

^ Here is the X-Men 2004 bio entry. ^

'Wolverine possesses the normal human strength of a man of his apparent age, height, and build who engages in intensive regular exercise.'

He is shown to be a level 4 character in strength. If we look at what that actually means in terms of numbers-

img131.imageshack.us/img131/8641/page050ls6.jpg

level 4 strength- 'Superhuman: 800 lbs.-25 ton range'


We can see that 800 lbs. is the lower end of Superhuman.



Here is the scan of Wolverine's bio in his handbook 2004

img114.imageshack.us/img114/9795/ohotmuwolverine2004broosv5.jpg


That is the entry that stated him being able to lift about several hundred pounds. And he is a level 4 there.



If someone has proof either way, please, present it.

I just want to remind everyone that this all started because people said there were no listings to the contrary, and as I figured there were no listings in the favor of either but word of mouth.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

alfheim said:

Kuwbara you didnt adresss my points. Cmaster you didnt adress my points on the power lifting.
Magic attack bios can be inaccurate frequently have you got the most recent one?

Yes that is correct about the lifting I'm pretty sure.

Strength bio's aren't usually inaccurate for peak humans. There are several sources that continue to say the same thing.

[kuwabara]

shakezula said:

img168.imageshack.us/img168/4236/page039kd8.jpg

^ Here is the X-Men 2004 bio entry. ^

'Wolverine possesses the normal human strength of a man of his apparent age, height, and build who engages in intensive regular exercise.'

You just postednthe same evidence twice. That whole hand book is word for word the same entrees as the one from 1984. It’s no difference. Beast entrée the same. Rogues entrée the same. That why no one uses it. Marvel got extremely lazy and decided to just rebublish 1984 hand book again. The only thing that was change was the stats. It in accurate and is the same hand book as 1984 entrees. That why no one uses it. I figured you guys new this.



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He is shown to be a level 4 character in strength. If we look at what that actually means in terms of numbers-

img131.imageshack.us/img131/8641/page050ls6.jpg

Level 4 strength- 'Superhuman: 800 lbs.-25 ton range'


We can see that 800 lbs. is the lower end of Superhuman.

Yes your point? Just becuase that’s the lowest end does not mean logan is that. Logan feats put him over it.

Here is the scan of Wolverine's bio in his handbook 2004

img114.imageshack.us/img114/9795/ohotmuwolverine2004broosv5.jpg


That is the entry that stated him being able to lift about several hundred pounds. And he is a level 4 there.



If someone has proof either way, please, present it.

Ya it also says logan can die from blood lose and vital organs lose. Neither of which he can. He was stated in comics as superhuman and enhanced human. He has been stated in numerous sources as so. He superhuman his feats prove it.

[kuwabara]

T’challa ranked as a level 3 which is peakhuman.

Why? Logan never been stated as peakhuman. Which I stated numerous times and you have yet to prove. He was stated in one sources as lower then such ( well two, but the second sources was a copy of the first) all other sources say other wise.

Which guide? I did post the wording next to it. They all either say enhanced or superhuman. There the same thing enhanced human a lower version of superhuman. Like I have been saying logans a two tonner.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

kuwabara said:

shakezula said:

img168.imageshack.us/img168/4236/page039kd8.jpg

^ Here is the X-Men 2004 bio entry. ^

'Wolverine possesses the normal human strength of a man of his apparent age, height, and build who engages in intensive regular exercise.'

You just postednthe same evidence twice. That whole hand book is word for word the same entrees as the one from 1984. It’s no difference. Beast entrée the same. Rogues entrée the same. That why no one uses it. Marvel got extremely lazy and decided to just rebublish 1984 hand book again. The only thing that was change was the stats. It in accurate and is the same hand book as 1984 entrees. That why no one uses it. I figured you guys new this.

He is shown to be a level 4 character in strength. If we look at what that actually means in terms of numbers-

img131.imageshack.us/img131/8641/page050ls6.jpg

Level 4 strength- 'Superhuman: 800 lbs.-25 ton range'


We can see that 800 lbs. is the lower end of Superhuman.

Yes your point? Just becuase that’s the lowest end does not mean logan is that. Logan feats put him over it.

Here is the scan of Wolverine's bio in his handbook 2004

img114.imageshack.us/img114/9795/ohotmuwolverine2004broosv5.jpg


That is the entry that stated him being able to lift about several hundred pounds. And he is a level 4 there.



If someone has proof either way, please, present it.

Ya it also says logan can die from blood lose and vital organs lose. Neither of which he can. He was stated in comics as superhuman and enhanced human. He has been stated in numerous sources as so. He superhuman his feats prove it.

1. Superhuman is much more than 800 lbs. People in the real world have lifted more than that.

2. He HAS been characterized that way and should die from it, but it's not his fault the writers don't allow it anymore. He doesn't have true regeneration like Deadpool. We probably can bar now however due to changes.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

kuwabara said:

T’challa ranked as a level 3 which is peakhuman.

Why? Logan never been stated as peakhuman. Which I stated numerous times and you have yet to prove. He was stated in one sources as lower then such ( well two, but the second sources was a copy of the first) all other sources say other wise.

Which guide? I did post the wording next to it. They all either say enhanced or superhuman. There the same thing enhanced human a lower version of superhuman. Like I have been saying logans a two tonner.

We just posted several and nothing has said anything about him lifting the amount of two tons. T'Challa is a peak human however he is still enhanced in many areas. I'd still like a scan or a link to see where he's superhuman or a two ton lifter thanks.

[Magic attack]

alfheim said:

Magic attack bios can be inaccurate frequently have you got the most recent one?

I already said that, so thank you for agreeing with me.


I will post it when I get to it.

[Magic attack]

kuwabara said:

shakezula said:

img168.imageshack.us/img168/4236/page039kd8.jpg

^ Here is the X-Men 2004 bio entry. ^

'Wolverine possesses the normal human strength of a man of his apparent age, height, and build who engages in intensive regular exercise.'

You just postednthe same evidence twice. That whole hand book is word for word the same entrees as the one from 1984.

Ummm? No. I dont know if you actually read the wording or not but the 2004 X-Men entry reads as-

'Wolverine possesses the normal human strength of a man of his apparent age, height, and build who engages in intensive regular exercise.'

The 1984 entry reads as-

'Wolverine has great strength for a man of his size, although it does not reach superhuman levels. He can lift (press) at least 500 punds.'

Those arent quite the same, at least from how I read it. I posted them both, with the exact wording, so that people wouldnt get confused.

It’s no difference. Beast entrée the same. Rogues entrée the same. That why no one uses it. Marvel got extremely lazy and decided to just rebublish 1984 hand book again. The only thing that was change was the stats. It in accurate and is the same hand book as 1984 entrees. That why no one uses it. I figured you guys new this.

Which is what I am trying to show everyone here, that the handbooks are far from correct. I mentioned the Rogue entry being completely wrong. I hope that you all will get it sometime soon. It would help solve some of the problems going on here.

He is shown to be a level 4 character in strength. If we look at what that actually means in terms of numbers-

img131.imageshack.us/img131/8641/page050ls6.jpg

Level 4 strength- 'Superhuman: 800 lbs.-25 ton range'


We can see that 800 lbs. is the lower end of Superhuman.

Yes your point? Just becuase that’s the lowest end does not mean logan is that. Logan feats put him over it.

The point is, that the lowest number for that level is 800 lbs of lifting power. I dont know how else to say it so that people get that. The level goes from 800lbs to 25 tons. That is a wide area to choose from, and many people fit in that level. Let me try it this way- What dont you understand about that?

And I agree that just because that's the lowest end, it doesnt mean that Logan is at that point. I look forward to seeing some of his feats to show where he exactly fits.

Here is the scan of Wolverine's bio in his handbook 2004

img114.imageshack.us/img114/9795/ohotmuwolverine2004broosv5.jpg


That is the entry that stated him being able to lift about several hundred pounds. And he is a level 4 there.



If someone has proof either way, please, present it.


Ya it also says logan can die from blood lose and vital organs lose.

I thought we were talking about strength? What does blood loss and vital organs have to do with strength?

Neither of which he can. He was stated in comics as superhuman and enhanced human. He has been stated in numerous sources as so. He superhuman his feats prove it.

Which I ask again, is anyone going to provide some? Or is everyone going to use the patented KMC style of debating? Where it relies mostly on the phrase I read one time...

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Which feat would you like to see of Spiderman (though I didn't think his strength was up for discussion). He has actually gone way beyond his limit, but I'd only classify him as 20 tops with adrenaline, and 15 on a normal day.

[Magic attack]

So we the handbooks, whether you accept them being correct or not, seem to list Wolverine at level 4 in strength. Level 4 starts at 800lbs. I know in the real world that is far from Superhuman, but in Marvel they list it at level 4.

Now lets stick to Wolverine for a moment, before people start throwing other characters out there like Cap or anyone else.

Being as the low end of level 4 is only 800 lbs., I would be willing to accept Wolverine at a level 4 strength. I dont like that it is such a huge range (800 lbs- 25 tons), but I cant help it and it is what it is.

He has been repeatedly shown as level 4. But the problem lies in that they never give an actual number. They always give him some sort of vague sentence. Its almost as if they arent sure themselves.


So we are trying to narrow it down a bit, we are stuck between 800 lbs (the low end of the scale) to 2 tons (as been claimed by Kuwabara).


Now we know that Wolverine has to be able to lift at least 800 lbs., but we would have to see some proof of it being more. Does anyone have anything to show for his strength? An issue number atleast? I would post scans.

Otherwise I will just get to it when I get to it. There are a lot of issues of comics that Wolverine has been in, and it will take me a while to go through them all.